Session Start (freenode:#etech): Tue Mar 15 15:12:36 2005
[15:12] *** Initial topic: (Link: http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech05/index.cgi)http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech05/index.cgi
[15:12] *** #etech: striatic oedipa Earthman seanbonner marksimpkins NelsonM holgate noidfish joho deitynoir rich_gibson SebPaquet zzgavin rajiv pixelcort cheesebikini michaelhilton boris knauer Knekk beepbeep_ blech KW markp bkdelong JayF buridan imajes_ jcgregorio cygmund termie rajiv|work lyza Mutiny ilan xicubed _dav crysflame JimH Netminder _adam_gfx adamhill Greg___ esigler 
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[15:12] *** #etech was created on Sat Mar 12 18:22:27 2005.
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[15:17] NelsonM: artificial archaeobiology
[15:19] NelsonM: Art Burks was an awesome guy
[15:19] NelsonM: er, *is*
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[15:22] _dav: anyone blogging dyson's talk?
[15:22] Earthman: Great talk
[15:22] NelsonM: is he writing a book on this material?
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[15:22] marksimpkins: he should..
[15:23] NelsonM: I hope that's what all this research is for :-)
[15:23] marksimpkins: rael understatement...
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[15:24] aeden: 36 *is* old ;-)
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[15:24] aeden: jk
[15:24] marksimpkins: grrr
[15:24] aeden: marksimpkins what are you "grr"ing about?
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[15:25] marksimpkins: i'm 34 so less of the old :)
[15:25] aeden: heh
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[15:26] Earthman: (Link: http://adam.typepad.com/impossiblethings/2004/04/)http://adam.typepad.com/impossiblethings/2004/04/
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[15:26] aeden: hmm..automated playback over Skype for spam
[15:26] aeden: that'll suck
[15:27] NelsonM: as soon as Apple gets 5% market share, we'll have Apple viruses
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[15:27] pixelcort: Yeah, because Mac OS X is just /loaded/ with bugs and buffer overflows.
[15:28] markp: ahem, macs have always had cooler viruses than pcs
[15:28] aeden: hah!
[15:28] cheesebikini: also the spam meme that encourages ppl to spam works like an organism
[15:28] markp: anyone old enough to remember wdef?
[15:28] markp: it infected you just by inserting an infected floppy
[15:28] aeden: yes!
[15:28] markp: anyone old enough to remember floppies?
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[15:29] joho: raise your hand if you owned a kaypro
[15:29] * Earthman worked on a Mac with a 5-1/4" floppy
[15:29] aeden: Earthman I think we did that in 5th grade :-D
[15:29] jcgregorio: sorry, a vic-20 was my first computer
[15:29] michaelhilton: i used to have a computer with no HDD, just two floppy drives
[15:29] cygmund: I had a Kaypro II
[15:29] Earthman: twiggy
[15:29] joho: what's his topic?
[15:29] aeden: my first computer ran VMS
[15:30] marksimpkins: ZX81 tape rules
[15:30] dviner: how to stop an arms race.
[15:30] aeden: thanks to the University of Miami
[15:30] bkdelong: hehehe. Apple II here. :O
[15:30] pjw: MITS ALTAIR'S RULE
[15:30] aeden: my first experience with Usenet pr0n was on VMS
[15:30] aeden: how's that for whacked?
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[15:30] * markp is sorry i brought it up
[15:30] aeden: heh
[15:30] bkdelong: I do have an Athena machine sitting next to me.
[15:31] aeden: I suppose I should pay attention to the speaker
[15:31] aeden: he's quite funny
[15:31] cygmund: Cory's blogging the Dyson talk, of course: (Link: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/15/etech_notes_von_neum.html)http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/15/etech_notes_von_neum.html
[15:31] jcgregorio: ooh, athena, I programmed on those
[15:31] bkdelong: Well, this is a SunBlade 1100 running Athena rather.
[15:32] jcgregorio: I wrote an app that distributed applications across a network of athena machines
[15:32] dviner: no firewall == no virus ?
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[15:33] aeden: hmm...food time
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[15:33] Earthman: Off to lunch!
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[15:33] _dav: thanks, cygmund 
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[15:33] _dav: off to ORA salad!
[15:33] bkdelong: The mass exodus to lunch
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[15:51] nlowell: lively conversation?
[15:51] gustaf: not from what I've seen
[15:51] gustaf: but I connected 5 minutes ago... 
[15:52] Knekk: people are at lunch now
[15:52] Knekk: most people took off.
[15:52] nlowell: ah
[15:52] nlowell: PST .. of course 
[15:52] nlowell: well, what'll we say about them while they're gone :D
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[15:53] Knekk: nothing nice, of course.
[15:54] nlowell: well, YA .. we can be nice when they're here :D
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[15:59] jcgregorio: so..., now we know who isn't at ETech
[16:00] Suw: ha ha ha
[16:00] Knekk: wish I were
[16:00] Suw: yeah
[16:00] gustaf: m3 t00
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[16:01] gustaf: ;-)
[16:01] striatic: i'm glad i'm not there
[16:02] striatic: if i was, i wouldn't be enjoying the freezing cold toronto weather
[16:02] _dav: need a PRoP: (Link: http://www.prop.org/)http://www.prop.org/
[16:02] _dav: we could all chip in and then take turns being there
[16:02] nlowell: well, this is as close as *I* will ever get
[16:03] boris: striatic: freezing cold? we just hit +2 in montreal today .. yay!
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[16:04] Suw: i was there by proxy for a bit, through km's webcam
[16:04] Suw: aaah, a hint of such joys as shall not be mine
[16:04] Suw: this year
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[16:08] *** Initial topic: (Link: http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech05/index.cgi)http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech05/index.cgi
[16:08] *** #etech: striatic euansemple Suw hod nlowell NiallKennedy gustaf Rafe Jibbler oedipa rich_gibson rajiv boris Knekk beepbeep_ blech KW buridan imajes_ jcgregorio cygmund termie rajiv|work lyza Mutiny ilan xicubed _dav crysflame JimH Netminder _adam_gfx adamhill Greg___ 
[16:08] *** #etech was created on Sat Mar 12 18:22:27 2005.
[16:09] nlowell: sssshhh .. he's back
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[16:11] nlowell: i didn't think he'd EVER leave
[16:12] striatic: hm?
[16:13] nlowell: joke
[16:13] striatic: gotcha'
[16:13] nlowell: this place better liven up soon or I'll start TELLIN some :D
[16:13] nlowell: and that could get very ugly 
[16:13] crysflame: bah
[16:13] striatic: very
[16:13] striatic: hm
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[16:13] striatic: trillian isn't liking my icq connection very much right now
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[16:14] striatic: not that, you know, i have more than two icq contacts
[16:14] nlowell: ah, you need to dump ICQ
[16:14] nlowell: the new TOS says AOL owns your chat
[16:14] striatic: i know
[16:14] striatic: i primarily used aim
[16:14] nlowell: ack
[16:14] striatic: not by choice
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[16:15] nlowell: ya .. i hear ya
[16:15] * striatic polishes shiny jabber account
[16:15] striatic: i'd much rather have them all on that
[16:15] striatic: fat chance of that ever happening
[16:16] striatic: so i guess it is going to have to be yahoo
[16:16] Knekk: have you looked at BitlBee?
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[16:16] striatic: no
[16:16] Knekk: IRC -> IM gateway
[16:16] Knekk: you can use your IRC client for all your IM needs
[16:16] * Knekk uses irssi as IRC client, and BitlBee to keep all his IM accounts in one place.
[16:16] nlowell: i like jabber too
[16:17] striatic: well, unless my mom will use it, it is useless
[16:17] adamhill: and if the AOL TOS was interpreted to say the moon is made of green cheese by /. , the geeks would be lining up with their fucking crackers
[16:17] nlowell: i got some ritz! :D
[16:17] adamhill: and I got a bridge in Brooklyn
[16:17] nlowell: but GETTING to the moon is a lot harder to get to
[16:18] nlowell: the supermarket is much closer and i think i already have some green cheese in it
[16:18] Knekk: striatic: don't need your mom to use it. You have an IRC client right? you can use that for IM.
[16:19] Knekk: strcheck out bitlbee.org
[16:19] Suw: adamhill! 
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[16:19] adamhill: hola suw
[16:19] striatic: right .. but it what will she use?
[16:19] Suw: how goes? 
[16:19] nlowell: the problem is that eventually the chat gets posted on ICQ/AOL
[16:19] adamhill: no much
[16:19] Knekk: striatic: she can use whatever she wants.
[16:20] adamhill: +t
[16:20] striatic: what if she wants to use aim?
[16:20] striatic: then at some point, i'm using their servers
[16:20] Knekk: striatic: with Bitlbee you can connect to AIM, YIM, MSN, Jabber and others
[16:20] striatic: no matter what client or gateway i'm using
[16:20] Knekk: striatic: so you want to avoid their servers?
[16:20] nlowell: but his MOM is the bottleneck 
[16:20] striatic: yes
[16:20] Knekk: ah, I missed that part of the convo, sorry
[16:20] nlowell: :D
[16:21] striatic: i already have a multi IM client
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[16:21] striatic: actually, i have a couple of them ..
[16:21] nlowell: so .. you dont think AOL really owns the chat adamhill?
[16:21] nlowell: or claims to?
[16:21] striatic: although, i think the aim TOS issue is probably a mountain/molehill thing
[16:21] striatic: i doubt that it is legally defensible
[16:22] Suw: not sure they could enforce it
[16:22] nlowell: i'm not sure they'd have to 
[16:22] nlowell: once they take the content and publish it, the damage is done
[16:22] adamhill: AOL's pres/CEO disavowed the TOS applied to chat to the press
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[16:22] nlowell: did he offer to sell a bridge with it?
[16:22] adamhill: only applied to communities, which has always been the case
[16:22] striatic: they should clarify the language if that's what they really mean
[16:23] nlowell: the TOS doesn't dis-aggregate
[16:23] striatic: and even if it only applies to forums, it is still ridiculous
[16:23] adamhill: it was a cut-n-paste
[16:23] nlowell: what was a cut-n-paste?
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[16:25] nlowell: (Link: http://www.aim.com/tos/tos.adp)http://www.aim.com/tos/tos.adp <-- my source .. this is a cut-n-paste?
[16:26] striatic: arg ..
[16:26] adamhill: the TOS change, 10 dollars someone cut some boilerplate from someplace else
[16:26] striatic: why can't we all just live in a jabber utopia?
[16:27] nlowell: now THAT i can believe
[16:27] striatic: and dance through the jabber grass collect cute little jabber faeries in cute little jabber cups?
[16:27] nlowell: and they're backpedalling to beat hell
[16:27] nlowell: but what's there is what's there
[16:27] nlowell: oooo.. no faeries
[16:27] nlowell: the neo-cons will git cha
[16:28] pixelcort: Now might be a good time to insight panic in AIM users and get them all to exodus to an open platform like Jabber/XMPP.
[16:28] gustaf: never happen
[16:28] nlowell: and it'll have to be a Manly Dance or they'll nail yer fer promoting un-Family Values :D
[16:28] nlowell: i like it pix! :D
[16:28] pixelcort: The same theory that keeps everyone in can also be used to get everyone out.
[16:28] striatic: jabber needs to get unified and accessible like mozilla is now
[16:29] striatic: one click, install and you're done
[16:29] nlowell: ya .. jabzilla
[16:29] pixelcort: If people see their friends move away, they'll move away too. Amazing social phenomenon.
[16:29] nlowell: friends?!
[16:29] pixelcort: s/friends/buddies/
[16:29] nlowell: i remember those .. long time ago .. ?
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[16:29] nlowell: people that like ya and talk to ya and such?
[16:30] * nlowell is teasing.
[16:30] striatic: wow
[16:30] striatic: bloglines has improved since the last time i tried it out
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[16:32] adamhill: bloglines is evil
[16:32] striatic: evil?
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[16:32] striatic: well
[16:32] adamhill: they hammer servers, have no idea what 'back off' means
[16:32] striatic: at least that isn't a capital E
[16:32] adamhill: ok, bloglines coders are stupid :)
[16:32] pixelcort: I guess I'll have to say it again: polling is bad.
[16:33] nlowell: so .. what's emerging?
[16:33] pixelcort: The Buzz Game is cool. (Link: http://buzz.research.yahoo.com/)http://buzz.research.yahoo.com/
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[16:33] jseng: ch
[16:33] jseng: er
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[16:34] gustaf: hey Ewan_ 
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[16:35] jbond: pixelcourt: even with all the tricks? 304 etc.
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[16:36] nlowell: is lunch over? or have more people just checked their feeds?
[16:36] Ewan_: Hey gu
[16:36] Ewan_: staf
[16:36] Ewan_: (Link: http://www.symbiandiaries.com/crow)http://www.symbiandiaries.com/crow Crow's New Blog
[16:37] pixelcort: jbond: What tricks?
[16:37] FrankK: nice Ewan
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[16:37] jseng: network is slow :-(
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[16:38] striatic: does anyone know if there's a webservice that will read rss feeds and convert them into emails it will send to a list?
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[16:38] jseng: rss2mail
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[16:38] jbond: pixelcourt: backing off the poll time if the data doesn't change. Using etag. 
[16:38] pixelcort: For rss2mail, you'd have to set it up to run periodically somewhere.
[16:38] pixelcort: Oh, regarding polling.
[16:39] striatic: will that let the recipients block the incoming mail?
[16:39] pixelcort: Yes, that all helps reduce polling problems, but some would like their RSS live.
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[16:39] pixelcort: Also, this Slashdot-banning-ETech thing is annoying.
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[16:40] jbond: slashdot coding sucks. I regularly get banned at home because I'm behind the ISPs transparent http proxy shared with 1000s
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[16:40] pixelcort: I can understand them not wanting to same redundant data to the same address.
[16:40] jbond: They make no attempt to get the real remote IP
[16:41] pixelcort: If people are running NAT, they should be running an HTTP cache, too.
[16:41] _dav: you should be ssh-tunneling your web traffic anyhow
[16:41] _dav: etech's always got plenty of ettercaps andd the like running
[16:41] crysflame: oh yeah
[16:41] jbond: But if you use Pub-Sub instead of polling then you put considerable effort on the server side
[16:42] pixelcort: Not terribly considerable. The spammers send messages in bulk all the time.
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[16:43] crysflame: if all the rss reader people would just commit to sharing their downloaded feed content by rendezvous with etags, then clients could generate and check the etag at the server
[16:43] crysflame: using a specially crafted etag algorithm, namely that which apache uses
[16:43] pixelcort: And for PubSub we would only send out a few bytes, simply "Hey! This URL changed. Come an' get it!"
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[16:43] jbond: It's a political problem now (wasn't it always with RSS)
[16:44] nlowell: is there any other kind of problem?
[16:44] jbond: "If everybody coded properly"
[16:44] jbond: We'd never get anything done
[16:44] * crysflame nods
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[16:45] Schuyler: so um. is etech any good this year?
[16:45] buridan: no
[16:45] jseng: so-so
[16:46] pixelcort: It is 86.7% good.
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[16:47] SDEtech99: rss and foaf were a lot more exciting last year
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[16:47] jbond: FOAF. Exciting. Right.
[16:47] jseng: lol
[16:47] nlowell: does foaf DO anything yet?
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[16:48] pixelcort: I was hoping for FOAF trust metrics to no avail.
[16:48] SDEtech99: no, but last yearit LOOKED like it could
[16:48] SDEtech99: now we're all jaded
[16:48] nlowell: rofl
[16:48] jbond: FOAF is a google scale problem. And Norvig thinks there isn't any metadata on the web.
[16:48] adamhill: "The world belongs to those that show up"
[16:49] adamhill: oh yeah, BTorrent... impossible
[16:49] sky__: the irc network is working ago
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[16:49] Schuyler: hi sky__ 
[16:49] nlowell: those that show up whom, adamhill?
[16:49] nlowell: :)
[16:50] sky__: Schuyler! you here?
[16:50] sky__: or are you in the east end?
[16:50] Schuyler: neither. I'm in Bristol.
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[16:50] Schuyler: we're going back to London tomorrow, though.
[16:50] jbond: this network is slow..
[16:51] sky__: bristol? having a dirty weekend?
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[16:51] Schuyler: jbond: you have 500 people on a single wi-fi segment. what did you expect?
[16:51] Schuyler: sky__: no, we've been hiding out.
[16:51] jbond: heh
[16:51] jbond: But then always-on is always slow
[16:51] sky__: Schuyler: one of those wifi vswitches?
[16:51] sky__: Schuyler: hiding from what? your land lord?
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[16:52] Schuyler: Don't get me started about the network at ORA conferences. Let me just say that I am grateful that it is no longer my problem.
[16:52] sky__: Schuyler: I am probably going up to SFO over the weekend and flying home later
[16:52] jbond: (Link: http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=P7480_0_4_0_C)http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=P7480_0_4_0_C Norvig: A friend of mine just asked can I send him all the URLs on the web that have dot-RDF, dot-OWL, and a couple other extensions on them; he couldn't find them all. I looked, and it turns out there's only around 200,000 of them.
[16:52] Schuyler: No, just hiding out from London.
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[16:53] jbond: schuyler: should I know you?
[16:53] Schuyler: jbond: that ignores all the RDF web services, of which there are actually quite a few (cf ecademy, livejournal)
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[16:53] jbond: quite
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[16:53] Schuyler: jbond: *should* you know me? maybe. do you? I don't know, who are you?
[16:53] jbond: Google makes no attempt to do anything useful with XML or RDF. Or MP3 ID3 tags
[16:53] Schuyler: hey cheesebikini, how's Sandy Eggo?
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[16:54] jbond: webmaster of ecademy. And from Ware, Herts
[16:54] jbond: So not far from London in an asian taxi driver kind of way. 
[16:54] Schuyler: oh, cool. nah, I'm Just Another RDF Hacker.
[16:54] sky__: if you ever been in the same room as schuyler, you would know him
[16:54] adamhill: but we can find open webcams with Google, go figure...
[16:54] jbond: adamhill: heh!
[16:55] jbond: Matt Jones just said "Extelligence"
[16:55] sky__: jbond: we have met at SoS
[16:55] jbond: social legibility. So not Chav then
[16:55] Schuyler: how's the conf, sky__ 
[16:55] jbond: SoS?
[16:55] sky__: Schuyler: fun
[16:55] sky__: Smith of Smithfields
[16:55] jbond: notCon?
[16:55] sky__: I think at least
[16:56] jbond: right
[16:56] jbond: Orkut meetup...
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[16:56] sky__: ah, that was it
[16:56] adamhill: aka Brazillian Meetup
[16:56] jbond: Whatever happened to Orkut anyway? I heard it had a brazilian.
[16:56] jbond: Clean shaven
[16:57] adamhill: hacked by carnivale
[16:57] jbond: Didn't Matt Jones do Glancing last year?
[16:57] noidfish: that was matt webb
[16:57] plasticbagUK: they're all the same
[16:57] plasticbagUK: aspects of a greater whole
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[16:57] jbond: the whole universe of Matts
[16:58] jbond: WHich one has the black belt?
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[16:58] plasticbagUK: Jones
[16:58] plasticbagUK: Webb's interconnected
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[16:59] jbond: Heathcote and Jones are so. So. So English.
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[16:59] plasticbagUK: oooooh sexy
[16:59] plasticbagUK: all dark and hot
[16:59] plasticbagUK: pulsing
[16:59] plasticbagUK: > cough < um
[16:59] plasticbagUK: sorry
[16:59] plasticbagUK: bac, in the room now
[16:59] Suw: hey tom :)
[17:00] * Alice eyes tom
[17:00] plasticbagUK: heya!
[17:00] jbond: Stop meeing around with the lights
[17:00] plasticbagUK: eep
[17:00] jbond: messing
[17:00] sky__: Heathcote is a finn!
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[17:00] jbond: Smart furniture! Ikea that assembles itself
[17:00] Suw: plasticbagUK: how' s etech? 
[17:00] plasticbagUK: "I don't go here"
[17:00] plasticbagUK: "You want me in the bedroom"
[17:00] jemstone: jones won't like being called english
[17:00] plasticbagUK: "Ew, I hate the shelves"
[17:00] plasticbagUK: s'cool
[17:00] plasticbagUK: mind blocked by other stuff a bit
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[17:01] plasticbagUK: including presentations we're doing
[17:01] jbond: The boxing Granny!
[17:01] crysflame: hi, plasticbag
[17:01] Suw: i'm sure you'll be great :) 
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[17:01] Suw: wish i was there. but never mind. 
[17:01] * crysflame too
[17:01] jbond: wish you were here
[17:01] plasticbagUK: my brain isn't hurting as quickly this year
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[17:02] plasticbagUK: I odn' tknow if that means my brains' bigger or the conference is less brain hurty
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[17:02] Suw: maybe it's like water off a ducks' back this year
[17:02] Suw: ;-)
[17:02] jbond: mmm. toast.
[17:02] Suw: talking of brain hurty, i just watched a documentary about maps in Welsh. 
[17:02] crysflame: i SO wish i had a movie of that map table raising up
[17:02] * crysflame is sad
[17:03] plasticbagUK: What do people think about the toast thing?
[17:03] crysflame: ever since i saw it in riven.. mm
[17:03] plasticbagUK: is that kind of thing going to be a gimmick?
[17:03] jbond: crysflame. You will, you will
[17:03] adamhill: your head is large cause of the bloggies, use a cold compress :)
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[17:03] plasticbagUK: are people actually going to use it or will they get it for $7 from the gadget shop
[17:03] Suw: hee hee
[17:03] plasticbagUK: and then throw it away
[17:03] TrevorFSmith: crysflame: I can't stop thinking about the crowd reaction to that table.  
[17:03] crysflame: what was the crowd reaction?
[17:03] crysflame: people aren't used to reactive materials yet.
[17:03] TrevorFSmith: crysflame: Everyone had such an incredible look on their faces.
[17:04] crysflame: the thought of combining computers and materials is almost beyond scifi territory
[17:04] jbond: neophiles. The lot of them.
[17:04] TrevorFSmith: crysflame: It was like someone had just whipped out Grey Goo.
[17:04] plasticbagUK: oooh. grey goo.
[17:04] crysflame: meanwhile here i sit going "oh my damn i missed it"
[17:04] * Suw thinks she must have missed something
[17:04] plasticbagUK: magic matter
[17:04] TrevorFSmith: Mixed fear, awe, surprise.
[17:04] crysflame: Suw: they had a video display table with a touch screen
[17:04] TrevorFSmith: I wish I had a picture of *that*.
[17:04] plasticbagUK: NO! NO! THE TABLE IS ALIVE!
[17:04] crysflame: when they wanted to make the map 3d, the table raised up
[17:04] crysflame: and turned into a 3d topo map
[17:05] crysflame: so a flat touchscreen that can turn 3d on a moment's notice?
[17:05] jbond: Must.
[17:05] striatic: like a membrane?
[17:05] Suw: eeee! oooooo! aaaaaaa!
[17:05] jbond: not.
[17:05] jbond: LOL
[17:05] striatic: or like .. raised pins?
[17:05] crysflame: striatic: mumble yes mumble maybe mumble
[17:05] Suw: ok, i want to see that too
[17:05] TrevorFSmith: It was just such a perfect moment, capturing the crowd's neophilia and geekish gawking.
[17:05] plasticbagUK: Don't think it was raised pins
[17:05] * crysflame nods
[17:05] plasticbagUK: but it was like that yeah
[17:05] crysflame: Suw: yep.
[17:05] plasticbagUK: except looked totally shiny and map like
[17:05] sky__: I don't like the yahoo market
[17:05] crysflame: i would do anything to see it
[17:05] striatic: hm
[17:05] plasticbagUK: like a representation of the ground in a litlte stockmarket
[17:05] sky__: it isn't a real market
[17:05] striatic: they could make a chair out of that
[17:05] Suw: did anyone take video?
[17:05] plasticbagUK: I was winning an hour or two ago
[17:05] plasticbagUK: not now though
[17:06] sky__: and it is going to get massively hacked
[17:06] striatic: people would buy a chair that does that
[17:06] sky__: because there is no captha
[17:06] sky__: captcha
[17:06] crysflame: i bet that once it leaves beta, it's tied into yahoo! accounts
[17:06] crysflame: which do have capatcha
[17:06] adamhill: someone in #geo found the URL - (Link: http://www.ms.northropgrumman.com/touchtable/)http://www.ms.northropgrumman.com/touchtable/
[17:06] sky__: also I cannot short sell
[17:07] sky__: and they don't describe the pricing system
[17:07] sky__: what we need is a future market on google adwords
[17:07] TrevorFSmith: I'm so pissed that Chris' session is filled past capacity.  
[17:07] sky__: that has real value
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[17:07] TrevorFSmith: Next thing you know, we'll be like DEFCon.
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[17:07] crysflame: Chris' session?
[17:07] jbond: Ooh futures in adwords. es
[17:07] TrevorFSmith: Tangible computing.
[17:07] crysflame: hi, dw
[17:07] crysflame: trevor: ooo
[17:07] sky__: jbond: you need quite a lot of cash to start it, but an external company could do it
[17:07] plasticbagUK: he doesn't need a tiara!±
[17:07] sky__: question is of course, how would google react, the could kill it
[17:08] jbond: Chris and Matt *are* Adam and Joe.
[17:08] jbond: Or maybe the Mighty Boosh
[17:08] TrevorFSmith: jbond: snort
[17:08] Suw: adam_and_joe++
[17:08] plasticbagUK: oh you're so right
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[17:09] jbond: SuW: You been watching Nathan Barley?
[17:09] Suw: no
[17:09] Suw: S4C
[17:09] Jibbler: the first episode of that was just weird and dull
[17:09] Suw: oh, wait, you didn't mean TV did you? 
[17:09] Jibbler: but the last one was good
[17:09] jbond: I can pretend to be a tag too.
[17:09] jbond: The heckling is starting
[17:10] TrevorFSmith: So, O'Reilly totally needs to figure out how to gracefully overflow.  This sucks.
[17:10] jbond: We need more blinkenlights
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[17:11] TrevorFSmith: I can't even get in the door to heckle. 
[17:11] plasticbagUK: people are milling
[17:11] Ewan_: i suggest big projectors somewhere...
[17:11] jbond: We had street tagging last year too,
[17:11] plasticbagUK: and it's scary
[17:11] Suw: heckle by proxy
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[17:11] plasticbagUK: THERE"S GOING TO BE A RIOT
[17:11] plasticbagUK: > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH <
[17:11] jbond: where? where?
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[17:11] Suw: ooh, it's ikea all over again
[17:11] plasticbagUK: um.
[17:11] gustaf: ballroom blitz
[17:12] plasticbagUK: it's ALWAYS been easy to glue stuff together
[17:12] plasticbagUK: I used to do it all the time
[17:12] plasticbagUK: I'd get headaches and stuff
[17:12] plasticbagUK: but I'd feel really gooooood
[17:12] Ewan_: yes but I don't think Gloy Gum was in XML
[17:12] striatic: have they started bashing each other's skulls in with their powerbooks yet?
[17:12] TrevorFSmith: I don't think they're talking about glueing your hand to your face, pb.
[17:12] plasticbagUK: ah.
[17:12] plasticbagUK: I see.
[17:12] plasticbagUK: fine.
[17:12] Suw: eyup ewan :)
[17:12] Suw: did crow get you sorted?
[17:12] Ewan_: Eeey Suw
[17:12] jbond: Superglue only works to glue fingertips together
[17:13] jbond: you can buy knobs
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[17:13] plasticbagUK: I'd heard that
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[17:13] plasticbagUK: Chris looks scared.
[17:13] * Ewan_ orries. Jones is going freeform
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[17:14] jbond: losing it
[17:14] plasticbagUK: RIOT!
[17:14] plasticbagUK: AAAAAAAAH
[17:14] jbond: This is the point where we need a rubber chicken
[17:14] sky__: buy one on ebay!
[17:14] plasticbagUK: I heard Chris bought a knob.
[17:14] Ewan_: Hold on, it's yet ANOTHER non BBC slide that's got Tom Coates picture!!!
[17:15] plasticbagUK: what?!
[17:15] plasticbagUK: I missed it?!
[17:15] plasticbagUK: where!?
[17:15] plasticbagUK: no fair. no. fair.
[17:15] Ewan_: Jones and Heathcotes "more inputs" slide- you're gawking a GBA DS
[17:15] plasticbagUK: I am!?
[17:15] plasticbagUK: are you sure!?
[17:15] Ewan_: Yep
[17:15] marksimpkins:  er, he's blowing on it
[17:15] neb_: i think that was jones doing the gawking
[17:15] Ewan_: slight spaced look, unshaven, post-ironic look. Yep
[17:16] plasticbagUK: that couldbe anyone
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[17:16] Ewan_: Well I say it's Tom, and I claim my five pounds
[17:16] Ewan_: :-)
[17:18] Suw: yay! vidchat!
[17:18] Suw: i can see a sea of heads. 
[17:18] adamhill: who has a reflector!
[17:18] jbond: What is up with Matt. He keeps breaking into gigges
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[17:19] Alice: DS has breath sensors. 
[17:20] crysflame: oo
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[17:20] Suw: i can't see a thing but a sea of heads and a blue screen in the corner
[17:20] crysflame: Boutell the Boutell Boutell?
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[17:20] crysflame: plasticbagUK: oh, hi! i just recognized your real name out of scrollback. ltns and stuff
[17:21] Jonathan_Boutell: not sure what you mean
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[17:21] crysflame: Boutell: wusage?
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[17:21] crysflame: hi, imajes
[17:22] plasticbagUK: huh?
[17:22] plasticbagUK: alice?
[17:22] plasticbagUK: oh crys - soder?
[17:22] Jonathan_Boutell: no that is not me sorry
[17:22] * crysflame nods
[17:22] crysflame: Boutell: no worries. hi anyways =)
[17:22] plasticbagUK: how do?
[17:23] Jonathan_Boutell: I'm Boutelle but it's cropping my tag
[17:23] crysflame: it's been nuts
[17:23] crysflame: i live in san francisco now, for instance. crazy times.
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[17:23] sky__: where to stay in san
[17:24] Suw: damn, i missed that joke
[17:24] Suw: waht did he say? 
[17:24] Alice: you confused again tom?
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[17:26] NelsonM: ok, who's seeding the giant torrents from the etech wireless netowrkk?
[17:27] jbond: Nigeria has a bad rep
[17:27] sky__: deserved bad rep
[17:27] Schuyler: sky__: you need a place to stay in DF?
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[17:27] Schuyler: er, SF?
[17:27] Schuyler: sky__: why don't you ping ology? he's living downtown
[17:27] tengi: Are there any traffic graphs (MRTG/rrdtool) for the ETech network?
[17:27] sky__: Schuyler: possibly
[17:27] sky__: oo
[17:28] Suw: oh damn KevinMarks' flat battery! 
[17:28] Schuyler: perhaps hackworth could help you out also
[17:28] sky__: what is his email?
[17:28] sky__: hackworth is out of town until saturday
[17:28] Schuyler: gene@ology.net
[17:29] sky__: which is why I will fly home on Sunday
[17:29] Earthman: Hmm, net bandwidth seems to be in short supply
[17:29] Schuyler: sky__: if you find yourself hard up, I can definitely find you a place to stay there
[17:29] Schuyler: it's an ORA conf, what did you expect
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[17:29] crysflame: hi, schuyler
[17:29] sky__: Schuyler: or I will stay at the Compton Place Hotel
[17:29] crysflame: come say hi to me in san francisco at some point
[17:29] sky__: hmm
[17:29] Schuyler: hiya crysflame 
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[17:29] crysflame: schuyler: you know that gene@ isn't vipul, right
[17:29] Schuyler: crysflame: well, Jo and I might come to SF for Where 2.hlagulhluaghluaghluahg
[17:29] crysflame: where what?
[17:29] sky__: yes
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[17:30] crysflame: Schuyler: i'm already, uh, crashing at ology's
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[17:31] sky__: Schuyler: virgin or ba?
[17:31] Schuyler: sky__: we'll probably fly from NEw York, since w're already going to be in US
[17:32] Schuyler: I like Virgin, though... BA is usually too expensive for me :-)
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[17:32] Schuyler: sky__: heh, ology says you can squeeze in there with him and Coral
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[17:41] daveviner: are there channels for each room?
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[17:42] crysflame: not to my knowledge
[17:42] danyel: Dave, it's more exciting when we have to wonder which channel links to which conversation. ("I hate that slide!")
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[17:42] daveviner: haha
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[17:45] neb_: C: perhaps prefacing your comment with the ballroom letter?
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[17:45] migurski: B: too easy
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[17:46] neb_: C: we're learning about unstuffing DNA in here
[17:46] SDEtech99: how many more ppl are here this year than last year?
[17:46] SDEtech99: these rooms are crowded
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[17:46] mike: too many good talks - are slides available for talks we miss?
[17:46] cybaea: SDEtech99: way too crowded rooms.
[17:46] cybaea: mike: Some of them were last year after the event
[17:47] migurski: B: plenty of seating in B, surprisingly
[17:47] SDEtech99: i'd love dyson's slides
[17:47] migurski: salesforce looked s-l-a-m-m-e-d
[17:47] SDEtech99: it is slammed
[17:47] SDEtech99: SRO
[17:47] mike: dna has room - v interesting
[17:47] sky__: slammed?
[17:48] migurski: everybody wants that salesforce magic money goodness
[17:48] daveviner: lol
[17:48] SDEtech99: full
[17:48] migurski: instead i'm hearing about pornography!
[17:48] SDEtech99: standing room only
[17:48] daveviner: "moore's law stopped" ????
[17:48] migurski: HA
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[17:49] TrevorFSmith: C: Well, we're not certain that it has room.  A lot of what was once "junk" is now considered essential.
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[17:50] mike: programming bacteria as a class project....
[17:50] migurski: B: decency laws are diff. from obscenity laws, interesting
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[17:51] neb_:  C: designing a platform or framework for bioengineering
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[17:52] imajes: uk blogger tom reynolds in the times - (Link: http://imajes.info/images/tom-timesarticleweb.jpg)http://imajes.info/images/tom-timesarticleweb.jpg
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[17:54] neb_: C: boolean NOT gates built of proteins
[17:54] mike: C: Parts -> Devices -> Systems = biological product
[17:54] crysflame: salesforce magic money?
[17:54] daveviner: yahoo++
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[17:54] daveviner: (according to salesforce guy)
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[17:54] cybaea: P: "Sforce web service API is now responsible for 20% of salesforce.com activity."
[17:55] sky__: where is the salesforce talk?
[17:55] danyel: Cybaea: Hm. And flickr this morning was cited at 15% right now, yes?
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[17:55] mike: C: made ring oscillator with bioligical components - set of 3 nand gates
[17:55] cybaea: P: "eBay API is responsible for 40% of listings."
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[17:56] cybaea: danyel: I didn't catch that number
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[17:56] neb_: i realize that there are 2 "B"s.  perhaps the letter preface was not so hot.  but this gets solved by reffering to Plaza B as "P"
[17:56] mike: C: dna won't replace a microprocessor - but simple things like 8 bit counter embedded in a cell could be very useful <endquote>
[17:57] cybaea: neb_: Been doing that :-)
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[17:59] neb_: i know, i thought i'd clear that up
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[17:59] mike: c: spec'ing dna interfaces - "remember not laid out on a breadboard - all mixed in together" makes it harder
[17:59] mike: C: took two years to make the ring oscillator - hasn't been repeated :-(
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[18:01] cybaea: P: demo salesforce.com, sforece.com, and customforce.com
[18:01] crysflame: thanks for the quotes ^P:
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[18:02] mike: cybaea: no mention of NetSuite :-) ?
[18:02] cybaea: mike: No - don't be silly :-)  
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[18:03] migurski: C: prepaid (cash) internet porn cards!
[18:03] cybaea: mike: Nor rightnow.  See also (Link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=related:www.salesforce.com/)http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=related:www.salesforce.com/
[18:04] cybaea: P: You can't use salesforce.com with a microphone :-)
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[18:05] cybaea: migurski: why do I buy them?! :-)
[18:05] neb_: C: congress has outlawed the synthesis of smallpox
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[18:06] alice: flakola.
[18:06] migurski: cybaea: anonymity!
[18:06] neb_: C: polio was synthesized from online sequence data using DNA delivered by fedex
[18:06] mike: c: risk strategy for smallpox is physical containment - "easy to do for past three years, but now its illegal"
[18:06] mike: "easy to synthesize" I meant
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[18:07] cybaea: If it is easy to synthesize how is outlawing it going to help?
[18:07] mike: c: 'engineering of dna is coming online' 'is getting easier and easier to manipulate it'
[18:07] cybaea: ("If smallpox is illegal, only criminals will have smallpox")
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[18:08] mike: C: "making smallpox is now a crime, but the only people who will make it for release won't care that's its against the law"
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[18:08] jbond: mike: physical containment is illlegal?
[18:09] cybaea: P: He is going to run out of time
[18:09] mike: C: Technology classes relevent to future biological risk (needed capabilities): manipulation, detection, analysis, response
[18:09] cybaea: P: ten minutes left
[18:09] mike: jbond: synthesis of smallpox is easy, but now its illegal. I feel safer, don't you?
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[18:10] jbond: ok.  thought we were talking EU human rights.
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[18:10] cybaea: P: yawn.
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[18:10] mike: C: technology for manipulating genetic info is cheap and available worldwide
[18:12] wkearney99: info's cheap, actually DOING it isn't
[18:12] mike: C: 2600 article: Hacking the Genmoe
[18:12] cybaea: P: Salesforce.com has re-invented Oracle Forms.  This is a good thing?????
[18:12] jbond: cybea: ugh!
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[18:12] mike: wkearney99: his point is that its getting cheaper and easier, including garage level hacking, I mean remixing :-)
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[18:13] cybaea: P: customfoce.com is just like Oracle Forms, except .. uhm .. not as "good"?
[18:14] SDEtech99: sooo, it's a CMS with lots of modules?
[18:14] mike: anyone in B?  What's coming down the pipe driven by porn industry requirements?
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[18:14] SDEtech99: heh, he said pipe
[18:14] Suw: lots of people in orange and red at etech, i see. wonder if that means something
[18:14] alice: guffaw
[18:14] mike: C: programming bacteria to take a picture
[18:14] cybaea: P: "You don't have to use point-and-click: you could just write an XML configuration file"
[18:14] alice: hey where's the online schedule ? i can't find it on the wiki
[18:14] cybaea: P: right-on .....
[18:15] cybaea: Alice: (Link: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/36/program.html#tuesday)http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/36/program.html#tuesday
[18:15] mike: C: student competition
[18:15] alice: ta cybaea
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[18:15] mike: C: parts.mit.edu (I think?)
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[18:16] bkdelong: Is there a chumpbot in here?
[18:16] jbond: what other technologies are the pr0n industry working on and leading the field?
[18:16] jbond: peercasting. video on demand?
[18:16] mike: DNA picture "Hello World" - gigapixel. 10x10", each 1" sq has a billion cells. Cool picture!
[18:16] bkdelong: teledildonics?
[18:16] mike: Took 10 weeks to 'build' it.
[18:16] neb_: C: photosensitive plate of handcoded bacteria reproduce "Hello World"
[18:17] paulm: checkout the totally encrypted layer exchangers of children pron have put on the net... apparently very well implemented
[18:17] mike: C: student team did this - well beyond speaker's PhD only 8 yrs ago
[18:17] jbond: dealing with bandwidth issues without involving akamai
[18:18] TrevorFSmith: "They didn't spell out 'you just got 0wn3d, you got Ebola' they spelled out 'hello, world'."
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[18:18] jbond: paulm. Which fails when dumb end user gets their C fixed at C World
[18:18] jbond: C fixed at Circuit city
[18:18] jbond: PC! 
[18:18] paulm: jbond: fortunately ;-)
[18:18] jbond: damn P key
[18:19] mike: c: (Link: http://mit.edu/endy/www/talks/)http://mit.edu/endy/www/talks/ - slides from this talk, ppt
[18:19] jbond: The ebay defence
[18:19] jbond: I bought a second drive on ebay and didn't bother reformatting it
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[18:20] cybaea: Time's up - somebody tell the speaker, please
[18:20] bkdelong: We're sticking a crapload of BioEng course material on MIT OCW this cycle
[18:20] paulm: just for the record: I don't have that kind of material, but I prefer to physically destroying an older drive over selling it
[18:20] bkdelong: ....BTW
[18:20] cybaea: Next show: coffee :-9
[18:20] cybaea: later
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[18:21] mike: C: "Any one of you could go build" ... brings up Ebay screen
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[18:21] paulm: ciao
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[18:21] mike: C: searches for DNA Synthesizer
[18:22] mike: C: "You build a massively parallel DNA synthesizer for $20k"
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[18:23] mike: C: brought up the DNA sequence for smallpox - from size (Link: www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov)www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov
[18:23] mike: size -> site
[18:23] mike: C: "You build" -> "You can build"
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[18:26] mike: C: "costs about $1.40 per base pair" - about $200k to order smallpox commercially
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[18:26] mike: C: "noise [cost] to build it yourself"
[18:27] mike: C: showing us a website where you can order DNA - just give them the sequence (but they won't do smallpox, or other agents they screen against)
[18:28] mike: C: Can build about 40k base pairs now (human genome is 4 billion)
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[18:29] mike: C: don't use the term "killer application" when you're talking about biological fabrication :-)
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[18:32] mike: C: Q&A continues - worth dropping by
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[18:33] mike: C: never mind - q&a finished
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[18:41] crysflame: haha
[18:42] sky__: gr
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[18:45] cybaea: C: Nelson on the stage.  Hi Nelson ...
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[18:47] striatic: hm
[18:47] striatic: groceries via RSS
[18:47] striatic: that's what i need
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[18:48] striatic: feed me.
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[18:49] cybaea: C: Starting now.
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[18:52] TrevorFSmith:  So, what happened to radio usage in 1993?
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[18:53] TrevorFSmith: It had a huge jump for the BBC.  Why?
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[18:54] genmon: hey, i'm matt webb
[18:54] genmon: i'm on stage in the bbc radio talk
[18:54] ChrisDodo: hello mwebb!
[18:54] genmon: if you want real-time clarifications, just ask me
[18:54] dotBen: lol
[18:55] lyza: Hi Matt Web
[18:55] migurski: who is the guy talking? 
[18:55] lyza: I'm staring at you
[18:55] dotBen: good luck guys
[18:55] genmon: hey folks :)
[18:55] TrevorFSmith: So, why did usage have such a jump in 1993?
[18:55] genmon: paul hammond: (Link: http://www.paulhammond.com)http://www.paulhammond.com
[18:55] migurski: danke
[18:55] dotBen: hes a paranoid fish
[18:55] genmon: usage: partially a change of the way the measurements were done, but the trend's there...
[18:55] TrevorFSmith: BBC usage, that is.
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[18:56] genmon: ..and that's because the rise of good, local commercial drove listening in a wider sense
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[18:56] genmon: (people tend to listen to multiple networks, so listening to one radio station means listening to more)
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[18:57] Suw: hey matt
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[18:58] genmon: here's the 10 hour takeover webpage: (Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/tenhour/)http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/tenhour/
[18:59] genmon: the tracklisting: (Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/tenhour/easter04/)http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/tenhour/easter04/
[18:59] michaelhilton: i got a page not found from that link
[18:59] dotBen: anyone in the google adwords talk in here???
[18:59] sky__: yes
[18:59] dviner: yup
[18:59] dviner: SOAP vs. rest.
[18:59] TrevorFSmith: Could we sell clearchannel to BBC?
[18:59] genmon: curious, both links working for me
[19:00] cybaea: C: Buzzword bingo.
[19:00] migurski: trevor: god yes.
[19:00] dviner: why are google and semantic web/bbc talk simultaneous ??
[19:00] genmon: this is matt biddulph: (Link: http://www.hackdiary.com/)http://www.hackdiary.com/
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[19:01] cybaea: C: Google not using any of the WS-* standards
[19:01] migurski: his bbc + del.icio.us hack was great
[19:01] jemstone: (Link: http://www.hackdiary.com/archives/000051.html)http://www.hackdiary.com/archives/000051.html - this is his blog entry on how he did it
[19:01] TrevorFSmith: genmon: "good, local commercial dove" is what?  stores piping in music?
[19:01] dviner: are the conference slides available anywhere ?
[19:01] genmon: sorry, meant good, local, commercial radio networks [missed a couple of words]. that drove listening in general
[19:02] TrevorFSmith: genmon: ah.  thanks
[19:02] genmon: radio 1's view on how the takeover worked: (Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/tenhour/works/)http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/tenhour/works/
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[19:04] cybaea: P: "Stop thinking of API as function calls, think of it as passing XML documents around."
[19:04] TrevorFSmith: But, how do I pay off the DJ to get my record on?
[19:04] cybaea: Sorry: C
[19:05] ChrisDodo: buy lots of phones and text in!
[19:05] migurski: Live 105 (in san francisco) often broadcasts in an open studio, at a downtown mall
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[19:05] migurski: so they encourage you to swing by, and interact directly with the DJ's
[19:05] genmon: there were messageboards that organised sms-bombing the 10 hour takeover to get their favourite trakcs on
[19:05] dotBen: so far those of you in the bbc talk arent missing much from the google talk
[19:05] migurski: i'm sure there's a payola vehicle in there someplace
[19:05] ChrisDodo: but it's one play. one play isn't worth anything - getting on a playlist is
[19:06] NiallKennedy: migurski: yes, at the Sony Metreon
[19:06] genmon: tom coates: (Link: http://www.plasticbag.org)http://www.plasticbag.org
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[19:08] striatic: he was in here earlier
[19:08] genmon: this is the first bbc podcasting trial: (Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/mp3_podcast.shtml)http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/mp3_podcast.shtml
[19:08] migurski: striatic: now he's onstage
[19:08] dviner: genmon: are you one of the speakers ?
[19:08] migurski: unidirectional voice-chat
[19:08] genmon: [for people who have just joined, i'm on the stage in the bbc radio talk, throwing out supplementary links and info.]
[19:09] genmon: dviner: i'm just sitting on the stage, not speaking today
[19:09] dviner: genmon: are the slides online somewhere?
[19:09] genmon: dviner: they will be soon
[19:09] dviner: sweet
[19:09] cybaea: C: SOAP and WSDL interoperability:
[19:09] cybaea: Good: .NET, Java (Axis)
[19:09] cybaea: OK: C++ (gSOAP), Perl (SOAP::Lite)
[19:09] cybaea: Not good: Python (SOAPpy, ZSI), PHP (many options)
[19:10] striatic: t(Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/tenhour/works/)http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/tenhour/works/ has a sort of description of the 10hour takeover in slide form
[19:10] jseng: anyone in the microsoft research lab room?
[19:10] _dav: How about Ruby?
[19:10] cybaea: C: SOAp and WSDL interoperabilityC: "Python is probably the worst..."
[19:10] cybaea: Oops.
[19:10] TrevorFSmith: genmon: So, can the BBC tell record companies to piss off, such that their stations aren't payola driven format stations and are reactive to text messages for indie bands?
[19:10] cybaea: C: "Python is probably the worst..."
[19:10] _dav: Ruby on Rails has wsdl out of the box, not sure how good it is
[19:10] wch2: I'm in the microsoft room
[19:11] cybaea: _dav: No info from Nelson on that
[19:11] TrevorFSmith: wch2: Don't sign anything.
[19:11] sky__: jesus
[19:11] jemstone: dan hill who works with matt, matt, tom, paul at the BBC talks in more detail about these projects  (Link: http://www.cityofsound.com/blog/bbc/index.html)http://www.cityofsound.com/blog/bbc/index.html
[19:11] sky__: how the fuck can anything be worse than SOAP::Lite?
[19:11] migurski: hah
[19:11] genmon: trevorfsmith: the rights situation is pretty nuanced. i think the bbc would prefer to help the whole ecosystem to move to a state where everyone is advantaged rather than strike out on its own. it has a mandate to help the market
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[19:12] cybaea: C: "The hardest thing is to send nothing; zero bits"
[19:12] dviner: genmon: ar ethe live tracklistings available outside of the bbc ?
[19:12] genmon: so the bbc can help the situation along by demonstrating the power of open distribution, etc, and use that as an illustration
[19:13] striatic: and then other people can figure out how to coopt and exploit that?
[19:13] striatic: ;)
[19:13] TrevorFSmith: genmon: You think that it is possible that indie records can find BBC airtime alongside major releases if the demand is demonstrated?
[19:13] paulm: the other item the BBC has (that was not on the list) is quite a bit of state funding ;-)
[19:13] dviner: that's open source tho... exploit versus utilize is a quite thin line.
[19:13] genmon: dviner: for some networks, it's on the websites. in the near future, we're figuring out ways to make this much more open
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[19:14] genmon: for example with distribution, the knock on effect of podcasting In Our Time was a tripling of regular listen on demand
[19:14] TrevorFSmith: Nice.
[19:15] jseng: whats the name of the app the MS Research guy is demoing?
[19:15] migurski: bittorrent has totally replaced tv for me, instinctively it feels like a model i'd switch to entirey
[19:15] paulm: how's the MS presentation?
[19:16] Jonathan_Boutell: how is the MS Research thing? Is it pie in the sky stuff or semi-useful/interesting?
[19:16] jseng: interesting...but i missed the name
[19:16] genmon: trevorfsmith: it's starting, gradually. there are mp3 downloads of unsigned artists starting, tho i can't find the url right now. i'll hunt more
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[19:19] TrevorFSmith: genmon: Are you finding any interesting tag population grouping over time, as happens with flickr?
[19:19] genmon: bbc mp3 downloads: (Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onemusic/unsigned/)http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onemusic/unsigned/
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[19:20] genmon: bbc mp3 downloads: (Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/gideon_coe/)http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/gideon_coe/ (mp3free down at the bottom)
[19:21] genmon: trevorfsmith: at the moment we're testing internally at the bbc - it's a big place - to gather enough data to see if the tag populations are growing. we're still gathering data
[19:22] striatic: how many text messages per hour on the 10 hour takeover?
[19:22] jbond: I'd love to see track listings of the music used as  backing racks on TV. 
[19:22] migurski: book clubs are a good model for group listening: the reading happens off-line, the reflection + conversation is synchronized
[19:22] TrevorFSmith: genmon: ah. thanks.
[19:22] Mutiny: how's the "building a new web service at google" presentation?
[19:22] genmon: striatic: i believe 150,000 over 10 hours. i don't know the peak rate. i'll have to check with matt biddulph
[19:22] jbond: Especially everythig out of BBC Bristol. eg Gardeners world
[19:23] genmon: migurski: book clubs are an example we use inside frequently to stop people thinking too strictly about "technology." book clubs are social software for the 50+
[19:23] striatic: also, was there any feedback to the people voting? on a web site or the Djs saying which songs were picking up votes?
[19:23] striatic: or all freeform?
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[19:24] jbond: Damn thees seats are hard
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[19:24] sky__: yes
[19:24] pjw: mary hodder, did you lose a battery?
[19:24] genmon: striatic: the tracklisting provide feedback from takeover day to takeover day, and there's a very short feedback showing the kinds of messages being sent in recently--but no medium-time feedback like you suggest. it's a gap we're discussing how to fill for next time round, because it is very important
[19:24] pjw: <p>
[19:25] hodder: hey
[19:25] hodder: no..
[19:25] TrevorFSmith: genmon: You're familiar with the PARC "shared media space" research from the 90s?
[19:25] TrevorFSmith: PARC and GaTech (and others), that is.
[19:25] hodder: but thanks for asking
[19:25] striatic: indeed. it would be tricky .. having it mostly blind is might be part of the appeal.
[19:25] genmon: trevorfsmith: indeed. encounted a bunch of this stuff for my Glancing talk last year
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[19:26] genmon: trevorfsmith: we're reaching towards a more social, less goal-directed form of interaction. friendly hanging-out online
[19:26] migurski: we (@stamen) built something like this for moveon.org last year, though in the context of political "town hall" meetings, not music
[19:27] SDEtech99: doesn't irc scratch that itch?
[19:27] Mutiny: i'd be far far more interested in a google adsense api than an adwords api
[19:27] Earthman: This DateLens thing is kinda nice
[19:27] TrevorFSmith: genmon: you might also be interested in chatting with Nicolas Ducheneaut about his social TV project (digging 'round for pubs or refs)
[19:28] knauer: wow... this microsoft guy sure seems to want us to think everything he is showing is "very cool"
[19:28] migurski: datelens - URL?
[19:28] jbond: Mutiny: API to what? 
[19:28] Mutiny: knauer, is any of it?
[19:28] Mutiny: jbond, AdSense
[19:28] migurski: or was it _data_ lens?
[19:28] jbond: yes but what data about adsense
[19:28] knauer: he has said "very cool" at least 30 times since I walked in the room 5 mins ago
[19:28] knauer: not really
[19:28] marksimpkins: yeah, its very cool
[19:28] Earthman: migurski: DateLens
[19:28] genmon: trevorfsmith: thanks very much. you should talk to tom coates afterwards about this, as he's been doing a lot of thinking about social tv
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[19:28] marksimpkins: :( i cant find any URLS for any of this on the MS Research site
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[19:29] marksimpkins: can someone ask him to breath.
[19:29] SDEtech99: (Link: http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/datelens/)http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/datelens/
[19:29] Earthman: Yeah, he reminds me of the FedEx commercial guy
[19:29] knauer: the microsoft research stuff was being done at xerox parc 15 years ago
[19:29] knauer: (Link: http://www.maya.com/Portfolio/workscape.html)http://www.maya.com/Portfolio/workscape.html
[19:30] Earthman: knauer: everything was being done at PARC 15 years ago :-)
[19:30] jbond: re adsense. I want something like last.fm three buttons. Like, Ban, Skip available for me on every googlead on the web. 
[19:30] marksimpkins: thanks SDEtech99
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[19:30] TrevorFSmith: everything you'll use 15 years from now are at PARC now. *cough*
[19:30] jbond: Then I could feed back what I wanted them to show on my site
[19:30] migurski: tags! tags! tags!
[19:30] jbond: because right now Adsense's idea of what they should show on my ste sux. 
[19:31] jbond: tags++
[19:31] marksimpkins: oh, that was nice
[19:31] jbond: hiearchies--
[19:31] SDEtech99: adsense needs pictures
[19:31] Mutiny: yeah
[19:31] knauer: agreed
[19:31] knauer: spinning stuff ++
[19:31] jbond: twirling++
[19:31] Mutiny: it would be nice to be able to say "i want to put ads for *THIS* keyword into this page" rather than have adsense trying to figure it out
[19:31] marksimpkins: now, will it break????
[19:31] Mutiny: and then being able to do stuff like smart-tag up your own site if you wanted to.
[19:32] migurski: hierarchies + tags == great joy
[19:32] Earthman: Things like AdSense are really bad for blogs
[19:32] jbond: Thing is we're doing it with technorati tags. but google isn't listening
[19:32] jbond: migurski: wikipedia categories?
[19:32] marksimpkins: ok, that was good.
[19:33] jbond: free form hierarchies
[19:33] migurski: that, and using hierarchies of knowns to interpret clouds of tags
[19:33] jbond: sorry, not hierarchy. not trees but meshes
[19:33] jbond: A tree is just a special case of a mesh
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[19:34] TrevorFSmith: BBC: all of those characteristics he just attributed to SMS used to be true for email.
[19:34] Earthman: Clustering based on statistical correlation on tags is interesting
[19:34] TrevorFSmith: BBC: it used to be an event when you got an email (pre-spam) and it used to be spotty, taking variable amounts of time for delivery.
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[19:35] striatic: earthman: like the flickr "related" tags?
[19:36] jbond: A moment's silence here for John Peel
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[19:36] Earthman: striatic: Yes (we just did that on Technorati)
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[19:36] striatic: and del.icio.us too {of course}?
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[19:36] Earthman: Si
[19:36] Earthman: What we, Del and Flickr do is pretty straightforward
[19:37] Earthman: You could do much more
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[19:37] Earthman: What we do is essentially just graph traversal
[19:37] * jbond is not hapy about the state of tag UI navigation
[19:37] SDEtech99: i want attribute/value pairs for pictures
[19:37] SDEtech99: not just tags
[19:37] Earthman: You could do more statistical correlation of tags to text
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[19:37] * jbond thinks we should work on that before trying to improve the quality of the clustering
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[19:38] KevinMarks: well, we have search, lists and heatmaps
[19:38] KevinMarks: and those bouncy network thinsg that are fun for 5 minutes
[19:38] jbond: fac.etio.us
[19:39] cybaea: C: switching presenters
[19:39] jbond: Those lists of tags in different font sizes are getting irritating
[19:39] jbond: and it gets worse when you want to navigate and filter in several dimensions
[19:39] jbond: eg category+location+time
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[19:40] striatic: has anyone done related tags based on multiple input tags?
[19:40] alice: where's takingbacktv?
[19:40] alice: is it ballroom B?
[19:40] marksimpkins: alice: yep
[19:40] jbond: Ive been trying to imagine a craigslist that used tags instead of hierarchies. Location is hard
[19:41] jbond: and messy
[19:41] alice: ta
[19:41] TrevorFSmith: striatic: tag fusion is hard, messy
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[19:41] jbond: BBC guys: I want track listings of backing music in TV programs.
[19:42] Earthman: For location, can use the notion of Venues, within a well-defined geo area
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[19:43] Earthman: Venues are a tag-like, flat space
[19:44] jbond: For the poster, flat share in N London has a unique Lat/long. For the searcher they want flat shares, in a price range, in an approxomate geo area 
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[19:44] TrevorFSmith: Earthman: where are you getting the def of "venue"?  Is that a published lexicon (academic or otherwise)?
[19:44] Earthman: Trevor:  No, it would be folksie
[19:45] TrevorFSmith: *in* a published lexicon, rather.
[19:45] Mutiny: did anybody take notes for Annalee Newitz's presentation?
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[19:45] jbond: (Link: http://www.voidstar.com/node.php?id=2275)http://www.voidstar.com/node.php?id=2275
[19:45] jbond: for sex drives
[19:45] striatic: the venues would be folksie, but the geographical areas would be established within the system
[19:46] striatic: or would the geographical areas be arrived at through some social mechanism as well?
[19:46] Earthman: striatic: I think the first thing you said
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[19:47] Earthman: Places people hang out, for example
[19:47] TrevorFSmith: Earthman: because there have been many "place vs space" and "re-place-ing space" ideas, none of them particularly well deployed.
[19:47] Mutiny: jbond, awesome, thanks.  :)
[19:47] genmon: anyone know the ip range of etcon? i need to ip range the demo apps to it
[19:48] cybaea: C: A != A
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[19:48] ChrisDodo: talk to tom igoe - he had to do the same
[19:49] Mutiny: ip2.globalevents.iinet.com i'm guessing.  :)
[19:49] cybaea: C: i == U+2170, U+2139, U+2148 etc.
[19:49] TrevorFSmith: genmon: where are you demo'ing?
[19:49] genmon: (Link: http://rnd.historicalfact.com/phonetags/)http://rnd.historicalfact.com/phonetags/ and (Link: http://rnd.historicalfact.com/gl/)http://rnd.historicalfact.com/gl/
[19:50] Mutiny: considering almost 50% of the people in this channel are using that address, i'm pretty sure.
[19:50] dviner: do IRI compliant browsers send cookies to the same place?
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[19:50] cybaea: C: (Link: http://intertwingly.net/slides/2005/etcon/)http://intertwingly.net/slides/2005/etcon/
[19:51] Earthman: Stop the Apple commercial and get to Tiger
[19:51] Earthman: We all already bought them, for goodness sake!
[19:51] jrnoded: heh
[19:51] termie: :/ reading
[19:51] tengi: genmon: for Tom & Raffi's tutorial, we were using low numbered hosts on 10.10.0.*, but I think they had to clear that with the netops.
[19:51] TrevorFSmith: Earthman: what do you think that session is?
[19:51] Earthman: lol
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[19:53] jbond: what are people doing for food tonite?
[19:53] Earthman: Oh, a Finder that FINDS?  What a concept!
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[19:54] Suw: hey wendy!
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[19:54] paulm: geeezzz.. distribute the speech in print and start presenting
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[19:55] jbond: who's up behind the desk.
[19:55] dviner: sam ruby's talk is at (Link: http://intertwingly.net/slides/2005/etcon/)http://intertwingly.net/slides/2005/etcon/
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[19:55] jbond: in ballroom B
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[19:56] cybaea: C: (Link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=bad+characters+146+site%3Awww.feedvalidator.org)http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=bad+characters+146+site%3Awww.feedvalidator.org
[19:56] Earthman: Tag is with metadata, Luke
[19:56] Earthman: Tag it*
[19:56] Mutiny: oh wow another plone site that looks just like every other plone site, never seen that before.
[19:56] jbond: Mutiny: where are you now?
[19:57] marksimpkins: so, what are posm.tv trying to do?
[19:57] Earthman: jbond:  do you want the answer as a venue or a geocode :-)
[19:57] crysflame: is there a decimal geocoding system that doesn't require two sets of numbers, only one?
[19:57] jbond: heh
[19:58] cybaea: C: :-)
[19:58] ChrisDodo: yes - uk grid, finnish grid
[19:58] cybaea: C: Y! bashing
[19:58] ChrisDodo: but they require letters too
[19:58] crysflame: worldwide
[19:58] crysflame: letters is fine, but must work for anywhere in the world
[19:58] ChrisDodo: hard to do to different resolutions
[19:58] crysflame: for bonus points, depth as well
[19:58] ChrisDodo: finn grid may be worldwide.... dunno
[19:58] jbond: metres along a predefined spiral around the world
[19:58] Earthman: Some kind of spiral might work
[19:59] dviner: C: not y! bashing... he said y! fixed it.. just didn't document it
[19:59] marksimpkins: oh my god. their own set top box
[19:59] crysflame: jbond, earthman: nice.
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[19:59] marksimpkins: how about PAL :)
[19:59] Earthman: Of course, we'd argue about where  the spiral would be centered
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[19:59] Earthman: Greenwich, I guess
[19:59] KevinMarks: geocoding points is not enough
[19:59] cybaea: dviner: Yesh, but they released it broken.  But good point
[19:59] danyel: jbond, interesting, but spiral tightness becomes a problem -- or does the encoding system have limited fineness?
[19:59] tengi: their own set top box that you build yourself....
[19:59] jbond: N pole. Or S Pole to avoid being northist
[20:00] crysflame: danyel: tightness is defined implicitly by the number of digits of precision, i would think
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[20:00] jbond: A spiral with 1metre between tracks 
[20:00] marksimpkins: so, why their STB rather than any other?
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[20:00] cybaea: C: Ouch.  Trick questions :-)
[20:00] dviner: lol
[20:00] Earthman: How long did it take this guy to tag all his photos?
[20:00] danyel: crys, that's a massive tech. headache. we can talk offline, but does that mean that 3.1 meters is possibly very far away from 3.11 meters (because the tightness has changed?)
[20:00] KevinMarks: you actually need lat,long, radius of interest
[20:00] crysflame: danyel: yes
[20:01] crysflame: i'm okay with thinking in radians instead of decimal
[20:01] jbond: KM: we did this one, right?
[20:01] KevinMarks: (notice how all map views have a zoom slider)
[20:01] crysflame: (if that's of any help ;)
[20:01] KevinMarks: yeah
[20:01] KevinMarks: just reminding
[20:01] dviner: C: strings are hard to understand... so, let's talk about http.... 
[20:01] tengi: marksimpkins: NIH, perhaps?
[20:01] crysflame: what's the trig function that varies from 0.0 to 1.0 decimal from 0 degrees to 360 degrees?
[20:01] jbond: NIH?
[20:01] danyel: crys: i'd personally just interleave digits for X and Y position. (123, 456) -> (142536). At least it doesn't claim to be a distance...
[20:01] tengi: not invented here....
[20:01] marksimpkins: ah
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[20:01] KevinMarks: sin (d*4)
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[20:02] noidfish: is this channel logged anywhere?
[20:02] KevinMarks: why do you want a 1-d coordinate system?
[20:02] marksimpkins: at Diverse last year there where a number of STB's based on cheap PC boards and linux
[20:02] crysflame: okay. distance from the origin point as a floating point from the decimal point leftward, position on the sphere from zulu meridian as sin (d*4)
[20:03] crysflame: split on '.', reverse the left side, voila
[20:03] * crysflame cackles
[20:03] KevinMarks: silly
[20:03] Mutiny: another lovely day in san diego.
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[20:03] crysflame: that is all
[20:03] marksimpkins: ok, so the EPG is more important than the STB (or how it is defined)
[20:03] KevinMarks: what was the goal, chrys?
[20:03] KevinMarks: packed BAM is better
[20:03] striatic: noidfish: not that i know of
[20:03] jbond: arrg he's a bird watcher
[20:03] striatic: my client is logging it though so that's one place
[20:03] marksimpkins: :)
[20:04] tengi: isn't the guide where Tivo makes their money?
[20:04] marksimpkins: yep, EPGs are considered commercial data
[20:04] KevinMarks: BAM has neat proporties as it overflows corretcly in longitude
[20:04] jbond: Let Google do the guide
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[20:04] marksimpkins: access to the EPG on sky for example is very difficult and costly
[20:05] rossm: ah, san diego, at last
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[20:05] tengi: googleTV
[20:05] jbond: Hi Ross
[20:05] marksimpkins: hi ross
[20:05] jbond: Just arrived?
[20:05] crysflame: the goal was to find a solution given the limitations of the problem i posed myself
[20:05] tengi: didn't they start something already?
[20:05] rossm: hi julian, mark, just arrived, sitting in the lobby
[20:05] marksimpkins: so, they are talking about Azareus with RSS 
[20:05] jbond: you're late! ;)
[20:06] rossm: with all the attentions streaming all over, I haven't missed a thing
[20:06] Suw: KevinMarks: i'm off
[20:06] KevinMarks: you've been off for years...
[20:06] Suw: :-p
[20:06] jbond: smells a bit but a heart of gold
[20:06] marksimpkins: forget the STB, they are dissposible commodity
[20:06] Suw: but i showered only this morning! 
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[20:07] dviner: forget tivo ;)
[20:07] marksimpkins: IPTV, ummmm Hull
[20:07] jbond: that was then, this is now. ;) 
[20:07] tengi: an IP channel won't scale without an IP multicast infrastructure
[20:07] Suw: t'ra all. enjoy etech. 
[20:07] * Suw mutters something under her breath
[20:07] marksimpkins: bye
[20:07] jbond: bye bye
[20:07] Earthman: bye
[20:07] * Suw waves 
[20:07] Suw: see you all tomorrow
[20:07] cybaea: Bye suw
[20:07] Suw: t'ra cybaea :) 
[20:07] wseltzer: see you Suw
[20:07] jrnoded: night
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[20:08] Suw: wendy!! 
[20:08] tengi: IPTV - the webcam channel
[20:08] Suw: sorry to miss you - maybe catch you tomorrow
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[20:08] jbond: Need peercasting
[20:08] jbond: as used by the pr0n industry
[20:08] dviner: what's peercasting?
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[20:09] marksimpkins: and so back to pr0n leading the tecnology wave...
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[20:09] rossm: nice, someone is playing a piano next to me
[20:09] jbond: (Link: http://www.peercast.org/)http://www.peercast.org/
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[20:10] jbond: (Link: http://www.adultinternet.tv)http://www.adultinternet.tv
[20:10] ChrisDodo: the Tangible Computing slides are available at (Link: http://www.anti-mega.com/antimega/archives/001195.html)http://www.anti-mega.com/antimega/archives/001195.html
[20:10] marksimpkins: humm, not clicking on that one :)
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[20:11] rossm: the lobby piano player is playing Coldplay
[20:11] jbond: It's an internet pr0n TV channel. Using P2P multicasting so the bandwidth doesn't kill them.
[20:11] marksimpkins: cool
[20:11] danyel: there are some truly bizaree applause lines. like "XML is broken."
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[20:11] jbond: rossm. Is there a real piano player? 
[20:12] jbond: Or is it a Midi Grand Piano?
[20:12] marksimpkins: yeah, he was playing the Thomson Twins yesterday
[20:12] jrnoded: check for a wire coming out of his left foot
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[20:13] jbond: Mark. Beats paying for the pay per view movies in the hotel ;)
[20:13] rossm: a real player
[20:14] marksimpkins: :)
[20:14] ChrisDodo: he was also playing elo
[20:14] DangerIsMyMiddle: only without the lag
[20:14] Earthman: Now that's helpful (the Find in the Open dialog)
[20:15] Mutiny: looks like some shit is about to go down in this picture (Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/neb/60145/)http://www.flickr.com/photos/neb/60145/
[20:15] marksimpkins: battlestar galactica podcasts
[20:15] marksimpkins: anyone tried them?
[20:15] Mutiny: looks like the two people are about to brawl and that guy in the middle as an "i'm getting the hell outta here" look on his face.
[20:15] Mutiny: s/as/has/
[20:15] marksimpkins: DEMO
[20:15] crysflame: oo, right
[20:15] * crysflame loads battlestar ep 1 on firefox
[20:15] paulm: who still watches 'nature movies' on pay per view? a filled folder on the laptop prior to departure...
[20:16] NelsonM: I just pack my Netflix subscription
[20:16] jbond: nature movies are curiously tame these days. 
[20:16] NelsonM: note to audience:
[20:16] marksimpkins: i just bought criterion videodrome, to remind myself TV IS EVIL!! and will take over your mind
[20:16] NelsonM: never point out a typo in the slides
[20:17] NelsonM: it is rude
[20:17] NelsonM: thank you
[20:17] jbond: Somebody called it Playboy Sex. Lots of airbrush but nothing happening.
[20:17] cybaea: Nelson: :-)
[20:17] crysflame: ha
[20:17] Mutiny: anybody want to go to karaoke tomorrow night after the events?  ;)
[20:18] jbond: I can no longer get drunk enough for karaoke. Must be getting old
[20:18] tengi: guns-r-us?
[20:18] marksimpkins: lost in translation karaoke scenes.. best bit of the film :) 
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[20:19] marksimpkins: ok, what is the point of this boomtown stuff, ah!!
[20:19] paulm: tiger preso is somewhat tame... just scratches the surface
[20:19] marksimpkins: hummm
[20:19] jrnoded: yeah I'm bored
[20:19] marksimpkins: not sure about that
[20:20] DangerIsMyMiddle: he's so under a gag order
[20:20] NelsonM: the network is a lot better now. did someone turn off the pr0n torrentsz?
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[20:20] paulm: would do nicely in an AppleStore
[20:20] marksimpkins: so, its a series of VOD's 
[20:21] Earthman: paulm: right
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[20:21] lyza: whoa
[20:21] lyza: danger is MY middle name
[20:22] lyza: I've been usurped
[20:22] DangerIsMyMiddle: we shall fight a duel
[20:22] marksimpkins: well Danger was Danger Mouse's first name..
[20:22] lyza: We shall.
[20:22] DangerIsMyMiddle: pistols at dawn, milady!
[20:23] lyza: 10 paces
[20:23] lyza: I'm no lady
[20:23] jbond: bananas at dawn.
[20:23] paulm: lyza: are you the guy in kilt then ;-)
[20:23] DangerIsMyMiddle: you do look quite ladylike from here
[20:23] jbond: No. Pineapples.
[20:24] marksimpkins: kiwi fruit
[20:24] DangerIsMyMiddle: I choose lemon slices
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[20:24] marksimpkins: ohh, sharp..
[20:24] DangerIsMyMiddle: nasty when used as frisbees
[20:24] DangerIsMyMiddle: yep - exactly
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[20:25] tengi: yet another video game for the kids.....
[20:25] jrnoded: I'm toast.
[20:25] lyza: Danger is my MIDDLE name, not my first, sillyhead
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[20:26] marksimpkins: ok, its good a nice open source project doing this, but Kingston communications are doing this in Hull
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[20:26] marksimpkins: ear bleed
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[20:26] Earthman: Unconditionally opposed to conditionals
[20:27] lyza: These questions are making me uncomfortable.
[20:27] paulm: gazillion other scripting tools available to conditional stuff
[20:27] genmon: lyza: why so?
[20:27] Earthman: Scripting without conditionals is hobbled
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[20:28] marksimpkins: ok, simple toolset is good
[20:28] NotLyza: madshit scraping lunacy
[20:28] lyza: Tiger demo guy is more car salesman than guy who wants to ask questions, crowd getting somewhat surly
[20:28] lyza: errr answer questions
[20:28] NotLyza: he's unhappy
[20:28] paulm: so are we now
[20:28] genmon: true, true. audience misunderstands automator i think. it's not scripting, it's pipe.
[20:28] Earthman: Back to the baby pictures
[20:28] lyza: mmmmm, pipe
[20:28] Earthman: genmon, exactly right
[20:28] NotLyza: Abort! Abort!
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[20:29] lyza: heya brettling!
[20:29] brett: hi
[20:29] Earthman: Now we understand the robot icon, eh?
[20:29] lyza: PIPE
[20:29] * Earthman wonders how he missed this
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[20:29] brett: lyza: oh I thought you were NotLyza
[20:29] brett: !
[20:29] lyza: That would be conflicting
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[20:29] genmon: earthman: indeed. alas, i think he should have understood it when explaining the icon too...
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[20:30] * lyza suggests writing shell scripts
[20:30] paulm: i think the official guideline @ apple is that only Steve can do cool presentations
[20:30] lyza: automator just doesn't do it for me
[20:30] genmon: why are people asking questions about functionality? i want to know more about technological possibilities
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[20:30] paulm: genmon: right!
[20:30] lyza: yeah, these are "what happens if I click here?" questoins
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[20:31] ReallyNotLyza: Run, Wiley, Run!
[20:31] lyza: Oh, let's just BLAST through the more interesting part
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[20:32] brett: can tiger do my taxes?
[20:33] paulm: and all, i mean ALL of this info is readily available and has been available for quite some time
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[20:33] paulm: off we go
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[20:34] Earthman: Now, if Tiger would *pay* my taxes, that'd be something
[20:34] NelsonM: werner's slide is awesome!
[20:34] NelsonM: it's the future I alwyas wanted!
[20:34] brett: heh
[20:34] cybaea: C: Off to a flying start
[20:34] genmon: goddamn, no events system still. i thought it might be coming along with the ichatstatus like functionality coming along, and the filechanging events
[20:34] * cybaea ducks
[20:34] NelsonM: I want to fly when wearing 1970s shorts
[20:34] brett: I'm betting my tax return will go *to* tiger
[20:35] tengi: will tiger iChat be able to talk to a (non-Apple) jabber server?
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[20:36] Earthman: OK folks, I'm off
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[20:36] lyza: It's freakishly cold in here
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[20:36] marksimpkins: so, do they actually have anything?
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[20:37] tengi: they have that bit of paper he was reading from.  :-)
[20:37] marksimpkins: we need open source tagging of TV content, shared resources 
[20:37] marksimpkins: :)
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[20:37] marksimpkins: yes, maybe we need a photocopy of that
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[20:38] tengi: he could put the points up on the web site
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[20:39] cybaea: C: 47 million Amazon users.
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[20:40] tengi: marksimpkins: they said that they'll be building a box at the "maker's fair" tomorrow, whatever that is....
[20:40] marksimpkins: ok, open up a db where teachers put in the metadata on the clips they want to use from the TV they watched last night..
[20:40] marksimpkins: ok, could be cool
[20:41] dviner: virtual amsterdam red light district would be cool
[20:41] cybaea: Better then then real thing?
[20:41] marksimpkins: Squidlabs cool name
[20:41] NelsonM: the real thing is kind of sad
[20:42] dviner: no... not better than real thing... but far more accessible for most people.
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[20:42] dviner: 47 million active amazon users?
[20:42] dviner: that's it?
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[20:42] crysflame: active amazon api users?
[20:43] dviner: "active customer accounts"
[20:43] lyza: _I_ want to drop swarms of parachutes
[20:43] NelsonM: I'm lovin  the data
[20:43] crysflame: i wonder how many inactives
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[20:43] NelsonM: 80000 amazon web services devleopers
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[20:43] marksimpkins: parachutes??
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[20:43] cheesebikini: werner vogels++, jeh?
[20:44] lyza: marksimpkins : sorry, just something mentioned as an aside in the ATOM hacking session
[20:44] dviner: fairly solid engineering == amazon scale?
[20:44] tengi: he said he coould use the 3D sensors to drop parachutes on your house
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[20:44] cheesebikini: "virtual red light district" of amsterdam, available through a hole in the wall?  not what i expected to hear from amazon
[20:44] marksimpkins: oh, ok, should pay attemtion
[20:45] cheesebikini: hes talking about what talks "to your pancreas"
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[20:45] cybaea: cheesebikini: Aiming to serve your every shopping need ... ;-)
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[20:45] dviner: i think he's just making the case for async processing for distributed apps.
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[20:46] jcgregorio: I really don't want anyone talking to my pancreas
[20:46] marksimpkins: William Morris !!!
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[20:46] marksimpkins: how about open source bicycles
[20:46] cheesebikini: "like a mosquito in a nudist resort..."  {snort}
[20:46] marksimpkins: sorry, babbling
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[20:46] dviner: "learn from real life" is a trademark ???
[20:46] NelsonM: maybe "real life" is the trademark
[20:47] cybaea: dviner: Better than "pat. pending."
[20:47] cheesebikini: right on!
[20:47] dviner: true... but still not good
[20:47] cheesebikini: I'm going to patent redundancy
[20:48] dviner: tho, i find myself agreeing with these premises.
[20:48] marksimpkins: humm, think cycle, someone mentioned that when i did lazygov..
[20:48] crysflame: i remember thinkcycle
[20:48] dviner: how to control replication across generations is why biological systems are hard... who decides what "lives"
[20:49] dviner: apache httpd server uses apoptosis.
[20:49] marksimpkins: ah, this is like something i want to get the students at Central St, Martins to do..
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[20:50] marksimpkins: my eyes my eyes...
[20:51] tengi: the MCP should take him out *NOW*
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[20:51] TrevorFSmith: must. not. remember. tron. guy.
[20:51] migurski: think about peter pan guy instead
[20:52] cybaea: Off topic: "Destroying the Earth is harder than you may have been led to believe." :-) - (Link: http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html)http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html - from Schneier
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[20:53] genmon: dviner: the default for biological systems is that *self* lives, right? the selection algorithms are imposed by the environment and by everything-that-is-not-self?
[20:53] cheesebikini: right on... "real life is not a state machine"
[20:54] cheesebikini: use the force 
[20:54] dviner: genmon: yes... but, i've always found the problem is that the "self" is built of cells/units/programs/etc... and something must choose which ones of those propigate to the next generation.
[20:55] genmon: cheesebikini: which session are you in?
[20:55] cheesebikini: amazon
[20:55] cheesebikini: werner vogels on parallels between biological systems/"real life" and tech/business
[20:55] dviner: genmon: i.e., something must play "god" ... usually in a reproduce() method, or a replicate() thing, or the function which calls those (e.g., handleGeneration())
[20:55] genmon: they're on about biological systems? i am so in the wrong session
[20:56] lyza: That's what I was just thinking :(
[20:56] dviner: the amazon slides *have* to go online somewhere.
[20:56] genmon: are the amazon slides descriptive?
[20:57] dviner: mostly... his key points are in the slides...
[20:57] mattb: yeah, pretty much
[20:57] dviner: slides + podcast should do the trick.
[20:57] cheesebikini: umm... not enough on its own... listen to the audio of it w/ the slides later
[20:57] genmon: i hope it is being podcast
[20:57] marksimpkins: disco!
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[20:57] lyza: That toy helicopter looks like an IUD or some other scary medical device.
[20:58] lyza: It would make children cry.
[20:58] joe_hughes: How's the B talk?
[20:58] cheesebikini: IDEA: it would be cool to have a little subaudible signal on the soundtrack, tied in w/ the keynote/powerpoint presentation, that embeds "next slide" signal in audio of a presentation
[20:58] dviner: oreilly people: can we get amazon slides online ?
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[20:59] cheesebikini: so later you can do a playback tying in audio w/ slides... even have teh slides show up on your ipod photo display
[20:59] marksimpkins: we need the machine that goes ping
[20:59] cheesebikini: you mean the cars the cars that go boom?
[21:00] marksimpkins: the helicopter that goes whizzz
[21:00] cheesebikini: i dont wanna hear the ping
[21:00] migurski: you just want the benefits of the ping
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[21:00] marksimpkins: subliminal ping
[21:00] migurski: B: the ifab web app is really swanky
[21:00] marksimpkins: yeah
[21:01] TrevorFSmith: But is there a process for reading a process?
[21:01] TrevorFSmith: (re: superfabricate)
[21:01] migurski: metafabricate
[21:01] lyza: What's that written in/on?
[21:01] lyza: [iFab]?
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[21:01] marksimpkins: .jsp
[21:02] lyza: hmmmm.
[21:02] marksimpkins: ??
[21:02] migurski: it's got a lot of the niceties of flickr
[21:02] TrevorFSmith: B: the image markup is nice
[21:02] migurski: B: but domain-specific 
[21:02] lyza: B: It does seem very specific
[21:02] marksimpkins: he said that was their version of fotonotes
[21:02] lyza: As much as I'm into belt sanders
[21:03] zzgavin: belt sanders rock
[21:03] migurski: "people who bought this belt sander also bought..."
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[21:03] TrevorFSmith: band-aids
[21:03] tengi: wrong talk....
[21:03] marksimpkins: Dyson vacuums
[21:03] zzgavin: hired a floor sander =)
[21:04] migurski: aside: is the vacuum guy related to Esther/George/Freeman?
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[21:04] marksimpkins: nope
[21:04] marksimpkins: i dont think so
[21:04] migurski: that's what i figured
[21:04] marksimpkins: i could be wrong though....
[21:04] tengi: He said that his sister Esther was in the audience
[21:05] marksimpkins: that was George , not the Vacuum guy
[21:05] tengi: I think he also talked about his dad working at the institute
[21:05] cybaea: C: "Everybody in this room will get sick..."
[21:05] migurski: his dad == freeman dyson
[21:05] cybaea: C: Black text on dark blue background??
[21:06] migurski: cybaea: at least it's not (Link: http://www.37signals.com/svn/images/ny_redblue.gif)http://www.37signals.com/svn/images/ny_redblue.gif
[21:07] cybaea: Ugh!  My eyes are hurting now...
[21:07] marksimpkins: AIRWOLF!!!!
[21:07] migurski: B: airwolf!
[21:07] lyza: B: Rockin' soundtrack
[21:08] cybaea: Doc Searls: "Sean Bonner has shot (with a camera) four bloggers..."  Phew: no guns at ETech, please
[21:08] cheesebikini: gossip protocol!  tasty
[21:09] dviner: gossip is good.
[21:09] dviner: but bad if you're a network engineer :)
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[21:10] tengi: Doc's not on IRC, but he has iChat running.....
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[21:10] dviner: (Link: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/vogels/Epidemics/)http://www.cs.cornell.edu/vogels/Epidemics/
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[21:11] TrevorFSmith: axel f
[21:11] genmon: dviner: now you're just pissing me off. :) looks like i'm missing a great session
[21:11] TrevorFSmith: nice
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[21:11] genmon: unrelated to anything: is anyone else having problems using ichat rendezvous? presence works, not chat
[21:11] crysflame: i've heard of that problem at an oreilly conference before
[21:11] crysflame: heh, heh
[21:12] migurski: genmon: i don't think it works in here, i've not had any success
[21:12] cheesebikini: ditto here
[21:12] crysflame: something about the multicast swarms totally shutting down the network until they disable it entirely
[21:12] migurski: sometimes failure notices, sometimes silent failure
[21:12] neb_: rendezvous cannot scale to accomodate this many users
[21:12] TrevorFSmith: genmon: drag them over to your AIM list and then chat them.
[21:12] genmon: crysflame: that's a great line. there's a scifi story in that
[21:12] TrevorFSmith: genmon: reroute through AIM, basically.
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[21:13] alice: hurrah! cocktails!
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[21:13] dviner: where are cocktails ?
[21:13] genmon: trevorfsmith: nice trick!
[21:13] cybaea: dviner: Exibition hall
[21:13] marksimpkins:  Orange food
[21:13] alice: well it's cocktail o'clock
[21:13] alice: so bar.
[21:13] * jbond needs a margarita
[21:13] TrevorFSmith: genmon: thank you.  I will be accepting cocktails all evening in return.
[21:13] dviner: ahh.. vendor splendor
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[21:13] cheesebikini: weve got drinkingg to do
[21:13] tengi: Rendezvous error: instant message connection failed.
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[21:14] * jbond wow haven't read RSS for two days
[21:14] migurski: B: is there a URL for this app that's not localhost:8000 ?
[21:14] lyza: Drinking? Where? 
[21:14] marksimpkins: ifabricate.com
[21:14] * lyza is distracted
[21:14] migurski: *duh*
[21:15] migurski: thanks, google pointed me to etech
[21:15] marksimpkins: :)
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[21:15] cybaea: Let's go drink.
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[21:16] marksimpkins: fart machine, thats my etcon
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[21:18] TrevorFSmith: marksimpkins: I won't make a joke about farts as emerging technologies...
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[21:19] jbond: too
[21:19] jbond: tired
[21:19] marksimpkins: hummm, i need drinkkkk
[21:19] lobo: lol
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[21:20] marksimpkins: time for beer said zebedee...
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[21:28] pwb: hey
[21:28] pwb: ...wishing I was there with you guys in San Diego.
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[22:01] lyza: Wow, I guess everyone went a-drinkin'
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[22:09] lyza: This is just sad. Such a long day that one glass of wine has got me all sleepy and squishy.
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[22:38] Mutiny: anybody at the microsoft thingie tonight?
[22:38] Mutiny: or whoever it is
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[22:39] cybaea: MS thing?   No, am at the Color Coding thing
[22:39] cybaea: P: (Link: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2005/view/e_sess/7073)http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2005/view/e_sess/7073
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[22:40] cybaea: Hi Gavin :-)
[22:40] pixelcort: I'll be there.
[22:40] zzgavin: hi]
[22:41] crysflame: color coding?
[22:41] cybaea: crysflame: See link above
[22:41] zzgavin: yes
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[22:53] pixelcort: (Link: http://www.reemer.com/archives/2005/03/15/lost_my_phone_at_etech/)http://www.reemer.com/archives/2005/03/15/lost_my_phone_at_etech/ lost an audiovox 5600
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[22:53] pixelcort: I recall someone talking about an audiovox earlier during this morning.
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[23:04] knauer: anyone catch a url for Jason -- from the RIA discussion
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[00:18] Knekk: hey
[00:19] SDEtech99: hey
[00:19] SDEtech99: hey?
[00:19] SDEtech99: someone save me a microsoft dessert!
[00:19] SDEtech99: ;-)
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[02:37] mikel_maron: Hi
[02:37] mikel_maron: anyone know if this channel is being logged somewhere?
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Session Start (freenode:#etech): Wed Mar 16 07:04:51 2005
[07:04] *** Initial topic: (Link: http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech05/index.cgi)http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech05/index.cgi
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[07:04] *** #etech was created on Sat Mar 12 18:22:27 2005.
[07:06] striatic: day2
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[09:25] jbond: Morning all
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[10:30] striatic: well
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[10:30] striatic: it is ..
[10:30] striatic: 8:30 PST?
[10:32] termie: breakfast is rather poorly attended this morning
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[11:08] Knekk: Morning
[11:08] S-Pulse: hi
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[11:09] sexygirl153: morning
[11:12] KevinMarks: hello
[11:14] Knekk: hey KevinMarks 
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[11:15] jbond: mornin all
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[11:17] pixelcort: Good morning!
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[11:19] genmon: is anyone sitting on the left of the auditorium with a powerbook they bought since january this year?
[11:19] Knekk: looking for gyros?
[11:20] genmon: yeah, want to show someone bumptunes in action
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[11:20] Knekk: sorry, I am not at etech
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[11:20] genmon: hey cal
[11:20] sexygirl153: hey
[11:20] sexygirl153: hey webb
[11:20] genmon: where are you?
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[11:21] sexygirl153: main room, middle chunk, 3rd row
[11:21] seanbonner: lets see how long I can be on here without getting dropped today
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[11:21] genmon: me: main/left//7th
[11:22] sexygirl153: indeed
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[11:23] plasticbag: Morning all.
[11:23] plasticbag: FUck!
[11:23] plasticbag: I didn't win
[11:23] plasticbag: I want a bag of swag
[11:23] sexygirl153: i want a bag
[11:23] plasticbag: I rated a thousand different bloody talks yesterday
[11:23] plasticbag: it's a fix
[11:23] sexygirl153: i was just going to try and suduce rael
[11:23] TrevorFSmith: plasticbag: just offer one of the winners $5 for theirs
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[11:23] sexygirl153: fuck, that reminds me :)
[11:23] plasticbag: I hear Sam Ruby's already done that...
[11:24] genmon: rael running up on stage! very dynamic
[11:24] plasticbag: HEY WINNERS OF THE PRIZE
[11:24] seanbonner: me main, right, 5th - outside row
[11:24] plasticbag: IF YOU'RE THERE
[11:24] seanbonner: VPN dropping
[11:24] plasticbag: I'LL GIVE YOU LIKE $10 FOR YOUR BAG
[11:24] plasticbag: MORE, EVEN
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[11:24] TrevorFSmith: I'll GIVE YOU $15.
[11:24] pixelcort: plasticbag: They're not plastic, if that's what your hoping for.
[11:24] plasticbag: dammit! $20!
[11:24] genmon: $25
[11:24] noidfish: 30!
[11:24] zzgavin: $30
[11:24] seanbonner: #31
[11:24] plasticbag: $35!
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[11:24] sexygirl153: $50
[11:24] TrevorFSmith: $35.14
[11:25] jbond: and now a word form our sponsors
[11:25] paulm: is this ebay?
[11:25] zzgavin: 35
[11:25] noidfish: ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
[11:25] TrevorFSmith: $10
[11:25] plasticbag: $51
[11:25] genmon: $n+1 until $[my secret limit]
[11:25] pixelcort: Save it for EBay.
[11:25] plasticbag: dammit - noidfish wins
[11:25] TrevorFSmith: $10 + a big hug
[11:25] plasticbag: hahahah
[11:25] jbond: wow free copies of Make
[11:25] * Ewan_ waves
[11:25] * jbond waves back
[11:25] plasticbag: DAMMIT
[11:25] plasticbag: I WANT THE BAG
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[11:25] seanbonner: can i have some free stuff?
[11:25] plasticbag: no.
[11:25] seanbonner: pretty please?
[11:26] Ewan_: Sean I can give you a hug?
[11:26] TrevorFSmith: Free hug?
[11:26] pixelcort: (Link: http://labs.google.com/googlex/)http://labs.google.com/googlex/
[11:26] crysflame: three cheers for labs.google.com/googlex
[11:26] seanbonner: how much will the hug cost me?
[11:26] crysflame: long live DHTML+JS
[11:26] plasticbag: I hate everyone
[11:26] crysflame: hi, tom
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[11:26] plasticbag: heya
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[11:26] crysflame: o/` jem / jem, and the holograms o/`
[11:26] Ewan_: a hug in return - one for ne communist style
[11:26] Ewan_: Hey Tom!
[11:26] plasticbag: heya
[11:26] Ewan_: Such a typical entrance
[11:26] Ewan_: ;-)
[11:26] seanbonner: sounds reasonable
[11:27] Ewan_: My god, on stage is Alan Sugar wearing a Groucho Marx fake glasses and beard
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[11:27] crysflame: hallo intarweb blog buddies
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[11:28] plasticbag: I. want. a. bag.
[11:28] BenHmm: what sort of bag?
[11:28] crysflame: a plastic.. bag
[11:28] plasticbag: bah
[11:28] mikel_maron: what the heck is in this bag?
[11:28] crysflame: i have an etcon 2003 bag here, unused
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[11:28] plasticbag: 2003!?
[11:28] plasticbag: bah
[11:28] pixelcort: WikiWordsAreCool
[11:28] crysflame: you just have to come to SF to pick it up
[11:28] Ewan_: Morning Ben. I thought your middle name was John?
[11:28] crysflame: oh, hi Ben
[11:28] BenHmm: I have no middle name
[11:28] BenHmm: apart from Danger
[11:28] seanbonner: I "lost" my registration bag
[11:28] BenHmm: hi crysflame
[11:28] crysflame: your FOAF file is 'da bomb'
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[11:29] * crysflame emits SF locator pings
[11:29] TrevorFSmith: seanbonner: what a load of crap that was
[11:29] seanbonner: THERES A BOMB IN HIS FOAF FILE???!!!!
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[11:29] BenHmm: eeek!
[11:29] seanbonner: TrevorFSmith: yep. It was in the trash in 3 seconds.
[11:29] Ewan_: No, a balm
[11:29] TrevorFSmith: AT registration is was like, "Here, throw this away for me."
[11:30] jemstone: hi crysflame ;)
[11:30] TrevorFSmith: "At registration, it was like", rather.  (too early for irc)
[11:30] * crysflame grins at jem
[11:30] pixelcort: You can't say bomb in IRC.
[11:31] seanbonner: BOMB???!!!!
[11:31] BenHmm: RUN!
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[11:31] crysflame: spam, spam, spam, spam
[11:31] crysflame: spam, spam, spam, spam
[11:31] *** seanbonner has changed the topic on channel #etech to someone set up us the bomb!!!.
[11:31] crysflame: DU DAH DU DEEE
[11:31] crysflame: (pay no attention to the BOMB???!!!! in the corner)
[11:31] pixelcort: Panic. Run, run. Panic.
[11:31] crysflame: Panic rules.
[11:31] * seanbonner panics
[11:32] * pixelcort panics
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[11:32] * BenHmm lounges
[11:32] * TrevorFSmith opens Transmit
[11:32] crysflame: hahah
[11:32] * everyoneatetech panics
[11:32] TrevorFSmith: MMmm.  Panic.
[11:32] *** everyoneatetech is now known as seanbonner.
[11:35] lyza: Finally got some wireless love! 
[11:35] Ewan_: As long as you run when you see a man with "Bomb Disposal" running, you'll be okay
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[11:36] Ewan_: Etech ==  Shopping Channell
[11:36] TrevorFSmith: Wasn't there a TA from "How to make almost anything" at ETech04?  Teaching a software people's guide to hardare?
[11:36] jemstone: its bogey from dick and dom
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[11:36] Ewan_: Dick and Dom are a lotter better at it
[11:37] crysflame: a TA?
[11:38] Ewan_: Territorial Army rep?
[11:38] termie: teaching assistant
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[11:47] michaelh1lton: good morning everyone
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[11:48] imajes_: morning
[11:48] lobo: morning
[11:48] SDEtech99: morn
[11:48] paulm: howdy
[11:49] SDEtech99: stage is too low for a sitdown talk
[11:51] buridan: keep yelling "i can't see until they get the hint"
[11:51] Ewan_: There are two great big screens next to the - even Metallica know what to do with screens next to a stage
[11:51] SDEtech99: rock the house?
[11:51] termie: SDEtech99: exactly
[11:52] SDEtech99: woot
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[11:52] termie: jimmmmy
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[11:52] adamhill: hey jimmy
[11:52] jwales: hey
[11:52] jwales: I'm at etech
[11:52] SDEtech99: i do inventory at home
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[11:52] termie: jwales: i would hope so, you're on pretty soon ;)
[11:53] seanbonner_: i inventory the fridge daily
[11:53] _sj_: typical of WP to go down just before your talk, jwales
[11:53] seanbonner_: my shop?
[11:53] jwales: I'm sitting in the back...
[11:53] seanbonner_: well I have some tape
[11:53] seanbonner_: and a screw
[11:53] jwales: I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do.
[11:53] _sj_: are they really lightning rounds?
[11:53] jwales: I hope it's no trouble getting my computer hooked to the projector.
[11:53] MattJones: i was so excited when i thought i heard he made a 'pirate web browser' - but I guess a Parrot web-browser fits too, arr.
[11:53] seanbonner_: and a pen
[11:54] termie: _sj_: "high order bits" 15-minute talks
[11:54] _sj_: with someone wielding a cane to pull people off the podium?
[11:54] SDEtech99: they could drop the mike into the floor like the oscars
[11:54] _sj_: termie: it sounds neat.  the whole conference in one room...
[11:54] seanbonner_: _sj_ would be better with water cannons
[11:54] _sj_: ouch
[11:54] termie: _sj_: it's actually a robotic cane... 
[11:55] buridan: mmm water cannons
[11:55] adamhill: we needed hecklebot
[11:55] cybaea: What happened to Tim: isn't he supposed to be on stage?  Still asleep? :-)
[11:55] termie: cybaea: he's in front
[11:55] cybaea: Sleeping?
[11:55] MattJones: lame - we were still drinking at 2am, and we're here.
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[11:55] termie: cybaea: nay, just decided not to go up, i guess
[11:55] _sj_: matt> that's manly, not lame.
[11:55] cybaea: MattJones: My hero
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[11:56] * seanbonner_ was asleep by 11
[11:56] NelsonMinar: good morning
[11:56] cybaea: Morning Nelson
[11:56] SDEtech99: i'm sick, so i'm missing out on all the night life :-(
[11:57] SDEtech99: i'm old too, so i can't stay up anyway
[11:57] jwales: SDEtech99 - I'm quite sick too, the flu.
[11:57] seanbonner_: are you are here at eTech?
[11:57] SDEtech99: suck
[11:57] seanbonner_: crap!
[11:58] * seanbonner_ doesn't touch another surface for the next 2 days
[11:58] jwales: Yeah, I'm here... I speak about an hour from now.
[11:58] NelsonMinar: etech - share your germs!
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[11:58] jwales: Last night I had dinner with a guy from britannica.  He was nice, lucky for him, or I would have coughed on him. ;-)
[11:58] smagdali: mornin' all
[11:58] SDEtech99: SD is a germ cesspool
[11:59] SDEtech99: never freezes
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[11:59] termie: jwales: would have made a good picture
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[11:59] TrevorFSmith: Now I'm hearing people cough all around me.
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[11:59] TrevorFSmith: Thanks.
[11:59] paulm: (Link: http://www.ifabricate.com:8080/ex/i/B2286148E6321027A9C3C26EDF14C49E/)http://www.ifabricate.com:8080/ex/i/B2286148E6321027A9C3C26EDF14C49E/
[11:59] seanbonner_: I hope someone is logging all the passwords flying around on this network
[11:59] NelsonMinar: I used to be at the Media Lab and used Neil's equipment. It's really fun to crank out physical objects.
[11:59] NelsonMinar: The 3d printer was the most fun thing.
[12:00] pixelcor1: Voxels are here!
[12:00] mikel_maron: ah, no viruses transmitted through irc. human viruses at least
[12:00] *** NelsonMinar has changed the topic on channel #etech to Bite the Long Tail.
[12:01] seanbonner_: safe from irc, not so safe from Sicky McCoughsalot behind me
[12:01] smagdali: hey jimmy, are you doing doorsofperception next week too?
[12:01] *** adamhill has changed the topic on channel #etech to Bite My Shiny Metal Long Tail.
[12:01] NelsonMinar: "chasing our long tail"? :-)
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[12:01] michaelh1lton: yah, but you cant just run spybot s&d to get rid of a human virus
[12:01] *** seanbonner_ has changed the topic on channel #etech to Bite My Personally Fabricated Shiny Metal Long Tail.
[12:01] *** SDEtech99 is now known as SickyMcCough.
[12:01] jwales: smagdali: yes I will be at doors
[12:01] _sj_: voxels?
[12:01] _sj_: what are?
[12:01] * SickyMcCough coughs
[12:02] * TrevorFSmith shields his face with "the daily source".
[12:02] seanbonner_: small little field rodents
[12:02] adamhill: volumetric pixels
[12:02] pixelcor1: voxels are the 3 dimensional equivalents to 2 dimensional pixels.
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[12:02] *** UCSDBugD is now known as UCSDBigD.
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[12:02] UCSDBigD: that's better
[12:02] smagdali: me too. fun weekend in airports. 
[12:02] pixelcor1: If voxel=3 and pixel=2, what=1?
[12:02] jbond: stab the long tail
[12:02] todbot: and then, hypervoxels=4
[12:02] termie: couching sounds liek it must be pretty cool, everybody is doing it...
[12:02] UCSDBigD: xel
[12:02] termie: coughing, that is.
[12:02] NelsonMinar: the network is starting to get bad
[12:02] pixelcor1: 5 xels
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[12:02] seanbonner_: Coughing is the new Hacking
[12:03] UCSDBigD: i'd rather be couching
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[12:03] UCSDBigD: ha!
[12:03] todbot: spacetime pixels
[12:03] seanbonner_: I'm going to cough too
[12:03] UCSDBigD: everyone on 3...
[12:03] seanbonner_: 3
[12:03] seanbonner_: 2
[12:03] seanbonner_: 1
[12:03] UCSDBigD: i wussed out
[12:03] seanbonner_: that was weak
[12:03] jwales: try it again
[12:03] UCSDBigD: i am lame
[12:03] termie: i wasn't paying attention
[12:03] MattJones: please stop...
[12:04] seanbonner_: anyone have a beach ball?
[12:04] jbond: Is anyone analysing the underlying data of the long tail? t only ever seems to be the Pareto view of the top 10%
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[12:04] termie: uh oh, just saw somebody sneeze...
[12:04] termie: do you suppose everybody got this cough from me? I had a bad one coming here
[12:04] _sj_: underlying?  we're living it, son.
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[12:04] seanbonner_: yes
[12:04] _sj_: I think I saw a hypervoxel once
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[12:04] seanbonner_: termie: it's your fault
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[12:05] jbond: What law controls the data to the right of 10%
[12:05] Earthman: termie: I had one when I came, too.  Maybe we could remix.
[12:05] seanbonner_: FUCKING CELL PHONES
[12:05] termie: seanbonner_: i want to be known for starting the "Great Etech Outbreak of 2005"
[12:05] lobo: lol
[12:05] _sj_: did anyone bring a mini EMP generator?
[12:05] seanbonner_: termie is patient zero
[12:05] pixelcor1: Damn noisy room.
[12:05] Earthman: My termie number is 1
[12:05] UCSDBigD: hah - we're mixing viri
[12:05] TrevorFSmith: An elder tech who takes up sales.  I can't believe it.
[12:05] buridan: termie number?
[12:06] seanbonner_: (Link: http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001548.php)http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001548.php
[12:06] todbot: "Remix your disease"
[12:06] Earthman: A la Erdos
[12:06] buridan: oh
[12:06] termie: _sj_: ask the MAKER part to make one for you
[12:06] buridan: my erdos is 4
[12:06] jbond: the noisy room is in your head
[12:06] seanbonner_: my blog ID is 1
[12:06] Earthman: sean: Thanks for the post
[12:06] pixelcor1: It would be cool to see the relative amount of messages by people in a chat room over an exponentially lessening of importance of time.
[12:06] termie: seanbonner_: i want my patient 0 blog post, you can link to (Link: http://anarkystic.com/blog)http://anarkystic.com/blog ;)
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[12:06] buridan: and my marx number is 5
[12:07] buridan: but marx has been dead longer
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[12:07] seanbonner_: termie: what, like I'm some kind of blogger or something?
[12:07] todbot: groucho or harpo?
[12:07] * termie puts on his Canter Number: 1 shirt
[12:07] UCSDBigD: hmm, what would YOU male?
[12:07] UCSDBigD: make
[12:07] buridan: bah, zeppo was the writer
[12:08] jemstone: etech fab lab would probably be like my kids fave show: (Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/characterpages/fablab/index.shtml)http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/characterpages/fablab/index.shtml
[12:08] UCSDBigD: i'd make a killer robot
[12:08] NelsonMinar: one of my media lab colleagues made his wedding ring at the Media Lab lathe
[12:08] termie: UCSDBigD: chainsaw arms?
[12:08] jbond: laser eyes 
[12:08] UCSDBigD: you'll put youe eye out
[12:08] UCSDBigD: i did a glassblowing class
[12:09] UCSDBigD: it was cool
[12:09] UCSDBigD: actually it was hot
[12:09] seanbonner_: I'd make a bomb
[12:09] TrevorFSmith: A martini fountain.
[12:09] lyza: My flickr account is still in pending :( so I cannot share my etech photos.
[12:09] seanbonner_: did you put your eye out with the blown glass?
[12:10] UCSDBigD: nope.  burned my thumb tho
[12:10] UCSDBigD: and made an ugly cool globe
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[12:10] Earthman: lyza: Flickr screen name?
[12:10] * termie starts duplicating danyel's email sorting thing
[12:10] lyza: lyza
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[12:11] lyza:  /photos/lyza
[12:11] Earthman: OK, see what I can do
[12:11] UCSDBigD: earthman's got skillz
[12:11] UCSDBigD: or the flikr guy's passwd
[12:11] Earthman: No guarantees...
[12:11] UCSDBigD: jet pack
[12:11] danyel: termie, go for it!
[12:11] lyza: Thanks so much
[12:12] TrevorFSmith: A second head.  I'm two behind stelarc.
[12:12] seanbonner_: I'm posting a photo of my row right now
[12:12] lyza: cool!
[12:12] lyza: Row photos!
[12:13] termie: seanbonner_: did you get a power strip row?
[12:13] seanbonner_: yes, but you know I have my own powerstrip, and extension cord
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[12:13] termie: "seanbonner, power conference blogger"
[12:14] stefan: that's better
[12:14] * Earthman would iFab a powerstrip
[12:14] UCSDBigD: heh
[12:15] MattJones: i really want a shed
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[12:15] * seanbonner_ would make a hammer
[12:15] NelsonMinar: wow, the flickr etech photos are boring
[12:15] seanbonner_: NelsonMinar: that's a surprise?
[12:16] NelsonMinar: it's like "hundreds of badly lit photos of geeks, slightly from below"
[12:16] termie: NelsonMinar: people need moee free drinks
[12:16] Earthman: MicroVC would help us get more power strips
[12:16] cybaea: Just the recent ones - a few good shots the early days
[12:16] termie: s/moee/more
[12:17] UCSDBigD: is Apple gonna have real food tonight?
[12:17] cybaea: Wireless power.  Somebody please invent it.
[12:17] * NelsonMinar still has a hard time ignoring the scatalogical meaning of 'make'
[12:17] termie: cybaea: you hurt me.
[12:17] knauer_: McLabs!
[12:17] seanbonner_: I'd make a sandwich
[12:17] cybaea: termie: Oh no :-(  
[12:17] * lyza is trying to figure out whether to be hurt, not sure if anyone can see her photos
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[12:18] cybaea: termie: Probably didn't mean it.  Flickr down now: can't see your shots
[12:18] NelsonMinar: flickr up for me
[12:18] termie: cybaea: up for me, too
[12:18] Earthman: Hmm, Flickr works for me
[12:19] Earthman: DId you ever meet an engineer who didn't say, "It works for me!"
[12:19] cybaea: Maybe just this page: (Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oreilly/page4/)http://www.flickr.com/photos/oreilly/page4/
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[12:19] cybaea: Back for me now....
[12:19] jbond: naur: Why aren't McDonald's fully automated?
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[12:19] NelsonMinar: ok this photo is awesome
[12:19] NelsonMinar: (Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oreilly/6648321/)http://www.flickr.com/photos/oreilly/6648321/
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[12:20] Earthman: Erk, gotta change batt'ery
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[12:21] plasticb1g: I'm going to get cross about this one
[12:21] plasticb1g: Cory and I argue about this stuff all the time
[12:21] stefan: you tom! arguing?
[12:21] stefan: bibble
[12:21] seanbonner_: I was going to blog Cory's speach but he's going to post it word for word so...
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[12:22] plasticb1g: This is totally infuriating to me
[12:22] jbond: I didn't pay to hear Cory read.
[12:22] NelsonMinar: it's like a live podcast! :-)
[12:22] jbond: (actually I didn't pay)
[12:22] plasticb1g: I love Cory. 
[12:22] Ewan_: Tom, I'm looking for steam rising in the room, where are you?
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[12:23] TrevorFSmith: Is it just me, or is Cory starting to dress like Michael Jackson ~1985?
[12:23] cybaea: Starting?
[12:23] UCSDBigD: the one glove IS a little creepy
[12:23] jbond: Thriller?
[12:23] NelsonMinar: that's not his original nose
[12:23] NelsonMinar: what he's saying is important
[12:23] Ewan_: Didn;t Khan in Star Trek 2 only have one glove?
[12:24] _sj_: is there an audio stream?
[12:25] seanbonner_: I'm blogging this.
[12:25] NelsonMinar: cory sounds pissed! wow
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[12:25] NelsonMinar: his hands are trembling, and I don't think he's nervous
[12:25] jbond: I'm reading people's T shirt slogans
[12:26] UCSDBigD: we had him come talk at the UCSD Libraries on Monday
[12:26] UCSDBigD: he's good dude
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[12:26] NelsonMinar: wow, interesting point on EDS
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[12:27] seanbonner_: he said "The Man"
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[12:27] * termie sticks it
[12:27] jbond: Right ON!
[12:27] plasticb1g: yeah - EFF anti-man rhetoric is getting a bit out of hand
[12:27] plasticb1g: what's wrong with the man anyway
[12:27] UCSDBigD: cory is Shaft
[12:27] plasticb1g: he seems nice
[12:27] cheesebikini: outta hand rhetoric++
[12:27] imajes_: hey tom! congrats on the bloggie
[12:28] NelsonMinar: there's a technical solution to this key concentration problem.
[12:28] plasticb1g: thaks
[12:28] NelsonMinar: it requires key revocation, but that will be practical in a few years
[12:28] jbond: but won't be practical for a few years. luckily.
[12:28] genmon_: i wonder what cory thinks about mmopgs, with hardwired permission bits
[12:29] seanbonner_: You know you don't need a key to start a prius
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[12:29] jbond: There should have been a session on hacking the Prius
[12:29] UCSDBigD: my buddy's prius's battery died
[12:29] imajes_: love flickr.
[12:29] imajes_: Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_ENDIF in /var/www/html/(Link: www.flickr.com/templates_c/%%-21^%%-2145952649^inc_photos_user_other_photo.txt.php)www.flickr.com/templates_c/%%-21^%%-2145952649^inc_photos_user_other_photo.txt.php on line 51
[12:30] UCSDBigD: he plugged his phone into the charger, and the car vampired the charge and he could get started
[12:30] jbond: heh
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[12:30] plasticb1g: <cal> working on it
[12:30] jbond: I bet he could have run the car off USB
[12:30] holgate_: DRM is like the Evil Twin of Open API web services.
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[12:31] NelsonMinar: The Microsoft/Intel cooperation on trusted computing (aka Palladium) is very very dangerous
[12:31] lobo_: heh
[12:31] NelsonMinar: it keeps progressing, but quietly.
[12:31] knauer_: the batteries for the engines on hybrids are different from the battery used to power plugs, lights, etc... at least in my honda hybrid
[12:31] holgate_: Open API stuff is another kind of Trusted Computing, but it's a trust in non-lockdown.
[12:31] jbond: OSS is faith based
[12:32] joe_hughes: Nelson: do you have a good reference on the key revocation thing?
[12:32] NelsonMinar: joe - the concept? I'd try wikipedia.
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[12:32] NelsonMinar: my belief it'll be practical in a few years? no, no reference, just my guess
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[12:33] NelsonMinar: croak!
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[12:33] jbond: knauer. Are they Optimum lead acid, or more exotic?
[12:33] seanbonner_: He's done, anyone have any final comments before I post this?
[12:33] TrevorFSmith: Since trusted computing will be so completely unusable, shouldn't we just make certain that untrusted computing is available and let the market sort it out?
[12:33] UCSDBigD: did he call us all frogs?
[12:34] lobo_: croak?
[12:34] danyelf: Ribbit.
[12:34] NelsonMinar: the problem is trusted computing will dominate the market
[12:34] NelsonMinar: partly because of the trusted computing market power
[12:34] cybaea: Good speech
[12:34] NelsonMinar: partly because people want to watch DVDs on their computers.
[12:34] jbond: So where is Apple in all this?
[12:34] plasticb1g: <cal> flickr bug all fixed
[12:34] NelsonMinar: and in a few years, the only way to watch DVDs may well be trusted
[12:34] UCSDBigD: how about mosaic?
[12:35] TrevorFSmith: The use scenarious for trusted computing sucks.  Completely.
[12:35] plasticb1g: (1) Complex Ecosystems regularly fail. We see it around ourselves all the time. Human beings have to protect many of these ecosystems by management. Do we just let ecosystems online that are subsumed by spam or whatever fail?
[12:35] knauer_: my honda has nickel metal hydride batteries that power the electric engine
[12:35] TrevorFSmith: So it will drive people to indie media.  
[12:35] TrevorFSmith: Which is what we want, right?
[12:35] wseltzer: I'd like to think that independent media could show competitive advantage against these restrictions, but I think that's not true yet
[12:35] NelsonMinar: indie media isn't going to save cmoputing
[12:36] plasticb1g: (2) Keeping the carriers neutral is great. But when can we actually move past this artificial binary between total libertarian concepts of freedom and some weird evil system of control and actually move the debate on? Can we talk about how we find different models beyond this stupid distinction and /try/ to build software that creates /better ecosystems that aren't as easy to game or spam and still preserve freedoms. Or should we just sit in our 
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[12:36] TrevorFSmith: Computing doesn't need saving.
[12:36] plasticb1g: VERY BORED OF THIS DEBATE.
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[12:36] jbond: plasticbig++
[12:36] alice: yeah. new business models. let's go.
[12:37] jbond: So we're dis-satisfied. So change it.
[12:37] plasticb1g: Understand the need for it, because there are people int he world who want to assert total control, but don't think the solution to that kind of ludicrous position is just to argue the opposite.
[12:37] wseltzer: can we agree that there is no "perfect" system?
[12:37] jbond: implementation rules. All the rest is just academic wanking
[12:37] plasticb1g: yes.
[12:37] plasticb1g: can we also argue that there is the possibility of better systems.
[12:37] lobo_: surely darwinian evolution will eventually wead out the weaker ecosystems/organisms - it just takes time
[12:37] plasticb1g: and that we should be aspiring to those and not pissing in the foothills.
[12:38] plasticb1g: problem is e-mail has total dominance in its niche
[12:38] wseltzer: yes, if we stop reaching for the kind of perfection that drives out creativity
[12:38] plasticb1g: there are no other competing beasts at that level
[12:38] plasticb1g: if it dies, we have no e-mail
[12:38] UCSDBigD: bittorrent.  move on
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[12:38] plasticb1g: so let's find a hybridised, federalised e-mail system that inter-operates or something
[12:38] lobo_: ok - but email may not be the best answer
[12:38] plasticb1g: so let's find a hybridised, federalised e-mail system that inter-operates or something
[12:39] plasticb1g: ass
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[12:39] cybaea: Did anydoy get that file system link?
[12:40] knauer_: he squashed the butterfly
[12:40] seanbonner_: (Link: http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001552.php)http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001552.php
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[12:40] danyelf: PlasticBig: on a related note, ran into this quote yesterday: "[Lots of people have starved to death waiting for carriers to become dumb pipes. Carriers depend on return on investment and cash flow-- customers and revenues are just metrics that may help a carrier get there. It takes real money to run a network]
[12:40] danyelf: "
[12:40] jseng: okay, bittorrent :-P
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[12:41] cybaea: Another dead butterfly
[12:41] plasticb1g: poor butterflies
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[12:41] noidfish: cybaea: (Link: http://justin.chapweske.com/lfs-shame/)http://justin.chapweske.com/lfs-shame/
[12:41] UCSDBigD: homey don't buy no fault tolertant server, yo.
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[12:42] cybaea: noidfish: thanks
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[12:43] njt: plasticb1g: "hybridised, feralised e-mail system" 
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[12:44] KevinMarks: hello? checksums?
[12:44] danyelf: JSeng, Bittorrent is great for the top 2% most popular bits of the web. What about the rest of it? massive back-catalogs, etc?
[12:44] UCSDBigD: he likes that slashy circel
[12:44] KevinMarks: you can use plain http for those
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[12:44] plasticb1g: was just suggesting that we need to find different species of e-mail that might be able to inter-operate
[12:44] NelsonMinar: does anyone know why Bram doesn't want forward error correction in bittorrent?
[12:44] plasticb1g: and let markets and people's desires and needs manifest themselves
[12:44] KevinMarks: BT is for when lots of ppl want to hit the same server at aonce
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[12:44] plasticb1g: if the mad porno lady yesterday is right, then everyone will go for total anonymity
[12:45] UCSDBigD: the butterfly has been healed
[12:45] lobo_: placsitg1g : agreed
[12:45] plasticb1g: that's an ecosystem
[12:45] seanbonner_: anonymity is good
[12:45] seanbonner_: er, can be good
[12:45] plasticb1g: anonymity can be good, can be bad
[12:45] KevinMarks: Nelson: because it operates over a reliable protocol (TCP)?
[12:45] plasticb1g: can cause as much damage as it does good
[12:45] ChrisDodo: so now you have to trust all these personal computers?
[12:45] plasticb1g: ludicrous to argue one over the other
[12:45] jseng: stream!!??
[12:45] plasticb1g: have to push past the distinction and find something better
[12:45] KevinMarks: pseudonymity is good
[12:45] plasticb1g: maybe pseudonymity - on
[12:45] NelsonMinar: kevin - no, good FEC would let you complete the download before you get all 100% of the download. solves the "last missing piece" problem
[12:45] plasticb1g: yeah
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[12:46] plasticb1g: one person correlates to one user name, no way of tracing between the two
[12:46] plasticb1g: holy grail of small scale online community management
[12:46] plasticb1g: maybe not appropriate for pan web identity
[12:46] KevinMarks: like fountain thingy
[12:46] noidfish: uh?  did i miss the bit where he actually explained how this works?  is it a plugin?  something in the network layer?
[12:46] plasticb1g: maybe not good for e-mail
[12:47] noidfish: i don't get it
[12:47] KevinMarks: I liek the idea of BT as a HTTP proxy
[12:47] lobo_: kinda like a private circuit for identity?
[12:47] KevinMarks: which is sort-of what this chap keeps pushing
[12:47] NelsonMinar: bt is only good for 100k+ files
[12:47] ChrisDodo: hmmm, a cheap hacked together http stack replacement? eeep!
[12:47] NelsonMinar: really, 1m+
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[12:48] TrevorFSmith: because I'm willing to replace the #1 protocol stack I use...
[12:48] TrevorFSmith: not
[12:48] _sj_: jseng: what?
[12:48] genmon_: did anyone get that url of the stack?
[12:48] TrevorFSmith: (Link: http://onionnetworks.com/products/swarmstream/sspe/)http://onionnetworks.com/products/swarmstream/sspe/
[12:48] genmon_: ta
[12:49] KevinMarks: that si it's design centre, sure
[12:49] ChrisDodo: first person to ask jwales 'so, who makes money out of this?' wins a prize
[12:49] TrevorFSmith: Patient 0 is on stage.
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[12:49] lobo_: germs...
[12:49] _sj_: :)
[12:50] holgate_: that Larry Ellison beard may answer your question, ChrisDodo.
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[12:50] joe_hughes: the long tail of languages
[12:51] _sj_: so what's the general proportion of talk-time to Q/A time?
[12:51] sky__: so because it is dynamic, it is high quality ?
[12:51] holgate_: Wikipedia expressed through the international language of dance.
[12:51] TrevorFSmith: 1:0
[12:51] paulm: who's funding it now?
[12:51] danyelf: Anyone thinking of the French Enlightenment Encyclopedia thing?
[12:52] _sj_: paul: small donations.
[12:52] hober: donations mainly
[12:52] _sj_: grants.
[12:52] NelsonMinar: (Link: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/16/corys_talk_from_etec.html)http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/16/corys_talk_from_etec.html
[12:52] paulm: sounds like a model meeting its demise some time soon with this growth ;-)
[12:52] _sj_: lots of in-kind bandwidth/hosting offers.
[12:52] * lyza waits for the poor bastard to keel over
[12:52] _sj_: those grow proportional to popularity, too...
[12:53] rossm: is he describing blogs?
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[12:53] holgate_: yep, danyelf. Denis Diderot territory.
[12:53] NelsonMinar: wikipediaslist.com
[12:53] lyza: uhhoh
[12:53] lyza: wikicities?
[12:53] lyza: I'm having 1997 flashbacks
[12:53] _sj_: lyza: totally :)
[12:54] knauer_: looks like (Link: http://www.wikicities.com)http://www.wikicities.com just crashed
[12:54] * lyza giggles
[12:54] NelsonMinar: what's the hamster dance of wikicities?
[12:54] UCSDBigD: time to buy another server
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[12:54] genmon_: heh
[12:55] lobo_: doh
[12:55] _sj_: UCSDBigD: if only it were that easy...
[12:55] TrevorFSmith: Wikicities is where to shunt people who just want to futz with a mediawiki?  To keep them from wikipedia?
[12:55] holgate_: that diff reminds me of xanadu.
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[12:55] _sj_: (where's xanadu these days?  still being developed?)
[12:56] holgate_: lol
[12:56] UCSDBigD: great movie
[12:56] lyza: guys, guys
[12:56] lyza: Don't send your php database errors to the whole world like that
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[12:56] lyza: I mean, I'm happy to know all about the objectcache table schema
[12:56] * lyza stops complaining
[12:58] joe_hughes: so wikicities basically provides hosting for alternate namespaces using mediawiki?
[12:58] TrevorFSmith: joe_hughes: with ads
[12:58] jbond: I don't work, I just hang  out on IRC all day and talk to people
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[12:58] hober: It's true too
[12:59] hober: #wikipedia, #wikimedia, #mediawiki, here on freenode
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[12:59] NelsonMinar: they need a new music programmer
[12:59] UCSDBigD: now we're rockin
[12:59] _sj_: ooh, music
[12:59] NelsonMinar: "yo bitch move the stick around"
[12:59] NelsonMinar: maybe that's not actually the lyric?
[12:59] holgate_: beardsonomies on the stage.
[12:59] Suw: hey sj
[12:59] jemstone: its like starbucks (the music)
[13:00] _sj_: suw++
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[13:00] Suw: how ya doing? 
[13:00] _sj_: speaking of wikimedia...
[13:00] _sj_: (Link: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/sj/2005/03/16#a832)http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/sj/2005/03/16#a832
[13:00] _sj_: cross-conference pollination :)
[13:00] _sj_: submit proposals for Wikimania! this summer...
[13:00] UCSDBigD: cell phone
[13:00] MattJones: nice gradient of beard on the sofa
[13:00] _sj_: doing well...
[13:00] MattJones: and hair
[13:00] UCSDBigD: and head hair
[13:00] danyelf: Theres very real issues with the ways that Wikipedia authenticates people, as Roger (of Tor) was pointing out. Very worth thinking about ... 
[13:00] UCSDBigD: heh
[13:01] _sj_: my chair is right... in the sunlight right now
[13:01] holgate_: now, stewart was an hairy man, but josh was an smooth man.
[13:01] _sj_: what ways?   
[13:01] plasticb1g: for Cal: (Link: http://www.stevespix.com/Piggy-Back.jpg)http://www.stevespix.com/Piggy-Back.jpg
[13:01] * _sj_ wishes for transcripts
[13:01] njt: representatives of wankr, wankipedia, and wanklicious to talk about wanksonomies
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[13:01] MattJones: holgate_ you got religion?
[13:01] plasticb1g: oi
[13:01] TrevorFSmith: _sj_: ITConversations will air the sessions soon enough.
[13:01] plasticb1g: be nice
[13:02] holgate_: i got King James in my veins.
[13:02] njt: sorry, i twitch whenever I sense "tagging will change the world!" conversations starting
[13:02] Suw: hey tom
[13:02] _sj_: trevor: feh to 'soon enough'
[13:02] plasticb1g: heya
[13:02] _sj_: njt: too late...
[13:02] _sj_: suw, how's life?  not on this side of the pond, are you?
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[13:02] Suw: sadly i couldn't make it over, but if you see KevinMarks on a break you may find me on his laptop :) 
[13:02] UCSDBigD: you should here library catalogers go on about this
[13:02] holgate_: the german del.icio.us tags are all 45 letter long compound words that wreck the column layout.
[13:03] Suw: but life is fine - mad busy :)
[13:03] cybaea: lol
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[13:03] NelsonMinar: why don't tags have spaces in most systems?
[13:03] KevinMarks: tags have a long tail
[13:03] KevinMarks: (Link: http://www.technorati.com/live/tagpower.swf)http://www.technorati.com/live/tagpower.swf
[13:03] NelsonMinar: I'm really tired of 'wordsruntogether'
[13:03] hober: NelsonMinar: hyphens are your friend
[13:03] KevinMarks: delicious insists on spaces as delimiters
[13:03] Suw: km!
[13:03] holgate_: because tag entry fields are space-separated.
[13:04] UCSDBigD: that graph is hard to read
[13:04] jbond: I can't hear this
[13:04] KevinMarks: flickr allows spaces but you cna put quotes areound 2-word ones
[13:04] alice: me neither
[13:04] joho: me neither
[13:04] KevinMarks: but it folds them down to spaceless too
[13:04] alice: stuart is fuzzy
[13:04] holgate_: which no-one does.
[13:04] plasticb1g: he's all mumbly
[13:04] jbond: why aren't tags comma separated
[13:04] alice: the audio isnt helping
[13:04] UCSDBigD: cuz he's cool
[13:04] cybaea: mumbly is the word :-)
[13:04] cybaea: Ouch
[13:04] _sj_: could they use larger fonts for those graphs?
[13:04] NelsonMinar: beatbox!
[13:04] seanbonner_: ouch
[13:05] KevinMarks: Tags on blogs can have spaces
[13:05] danyelf: sj, the graph is zoomable
[13:05] UCSDBigD: who is the guy talking?   where's he from?
[13:05] NelsonMinar: joshua shachter
[13:05] seanbonner_: i can't zoom the graph
[13:06] KevinMarks: (Link: http://www.technorati.com/tag/san+diego)http://www.technorati.com/tag/san+diego
[13:06] NelsonMinar: he runs del.icio.us
[13:06] TrevorFSmith: geourl + del.icio.us
[13:06] holgate_: josh schacter. mr del.icio.us
[13:06] TrevorFSmith: and memepool
[13:06] UCSDBigD: neat!
[13:06] KevinMarks: no longer geourl
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[13:06] joho: memepool + geourl + delivious
[13:06] UCSDBigD: thanks
[13:06] TrevorFSmith: KevinMarks: nod
[13:06] UCSDBigD: and thanks for the zoom info
[13:06] seanbonner_: how to zoon?
[13:06] seanbonner_: zoom?
[13:06] danyelf: sean: hm. on my system, right click and hit "zoom". <-- is using windows.
[13:06] todbot: right-click
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[13:06] KevinMarks: control-click
[13:06] jbond: Why isn't Kevin up there?
[13:06] _sj_: danny, I know, I just can't find a size at which the text takes up more than 5% of the screen...
[13:07] KevinMarks: ask Clay
[13:07] seanbonner_: gotcha
[13:07] plasticb1g: ooh - this reminds me - here's the phonetags thing we were talking about yesterday in our talk:
[13:07] plasticb1g: (Link: http://rnd.historicalfact.com/phonetags/)http://rnd.historicalfact.com/phonetags/
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[13:07] plasticb1g: related to folksonomy stuff
[13:07] cybaea: Do you have your presentation online, Tom?
[13:07] KevinMarks: tom, when you get thta going for ral I'd love to hook it to the tag collection pages on technorati
[13:08] cybaea: "Pre-alpha"?
[13:08] noidfish: s/when/if/
[13:08] plasticb1g: yeah - it's not likely to go public - it's an R&D experiment
[13:08] plasticb1g: to explore an area
[13:09] plasticb1g: we're really interested in what we can do with tags as metadata, and this is literally just an attempt to get some useful tags from people at the BBC to see what we can do with em
[13:09] KevinMarks: who do we have to lobby?
[13:09] seanbonner_: kevin - are you guys doing anything with plazes.com?
[13:09] plasticb1g: I suppose something like it might go puublic one day
[13:09] plasticb1g: not really about that though
[13:09] cybaea: The tag "tag" is one of themost popular :-)
[13:09] KevinMarks: we spider them
[13:09] adamhill: we want the Beeb to add geotagging :)
[13:09] plasticb1g: and not about lobbying - everyone at the BBC is really keen, we're having to calm them down
[13:09] seanbonner_: seems like something that tagging might do something cool
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[13:09] mikel_maron: this is the folksonomy talk?
[13:09] KevinMarks: did you see that 'tagging radio 3' demo?
[13:09] TrevorFSmith: mikel_maron: yes
[13:09] UCSDBigD: i don't want tags. i want attribute value pairs
[13:10] mikel_maron: wonder what they make of semi-structured folksonomies
[13:10] mikel_maron: (Link: http://www.mcharper.com/wordpress/wordpress/index.php?p=17)http://www.mcharper.com/wordpress/wordpress/index.php?p=17
[13:10] mikel_maron: and the stuff i do in mapping delicious/flickr
[13:10] plasticb1g: yeah that delicious thing was done by Matt Biddulph who I work with
[13:10] plasticb1g: he's really cool
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[13:10] genmon_: (Link: http://www.hackdiary.com/archives/000067.html)http://www.hackdiary.com/archives/000067.html
[13:10] KevinMarks: so, ship it...
[13:10] KevinMarks: ;)
[13:11] jbond: UCSDBigD: attribute-value. How many attributes? is this like multiple vocabularies?
[13:11] KevinMarks: squaredcircle
[13:11] UCSDBigD: completely open
[13:11] Suw: hey SebPaquet!
[13:11] UCSDBigD: let me make the connections
[13:11] SebPaquet: hey Suw!
[13:12] mikel_maron: UCSDBigD: yes, that's what i'm hacking at
[13:12] UCSDBigD: me too
[13:12] ChrisDodo: ut oh
[13:12] ChrisDodo: canterbomb
[13:12] UCSDBigD: we have it at work using java and oracle, but i want a home version with php and mysql
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[13:13] mikel_maron: (Link: http://brainoff.com/worldkit/delicious/)http://brainoff.com/worldkit/delicious/
[13:13] seanbonner_: is't that what technorati is doing?
[13:13] danyelf: [who was that?]
[13:13] UCSDBigD: i love the user side of the Gallery photo software, but it's braindead that i need to copy a picture more than once to put it in multiple albums
[13:13] KevinMarks: indeed we are
[13:13] neb_: mark "shared metadata" canter
[13:13] ChrisDodo: searching on flickr for the tag 'nokia' is impossible
[13:13] seanbonner_: there's no way Marc dosen't know that right? RIGHT??
[13:14] mikel_maron: rel attributes
[13:14] Suw: so long as he keeps his hands of my metadata i don't care
[13:14] neb_: sean: he wants "standards", not aggregation
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[13:15] TrevorFSmith: standard folksonomy.  right....
[13:15] jbond: MC keeps asking for this.  don't get what he's asking for.
[13:15] KevinMarks: thats what makes them complementary
[13:15] DaveMc500hats: definitely better be careful b4 u start 'plugging things into each other'
[13:15] seanbonner_: is anyone else sick of the word "folksonomy"?
[13:15] plasticb1g: yes
[13:15] DaveMc500hats: especially if the other is Canter
[13:15] jbond: yes
[13:16] MattJones: joshua sex: "don't cross the streams"
[13:16] joe_hughes: how about "remix"?
[13:16] MattJones: sez
[13:16] MattJones: oops!
[13:16] todbot: volkswagony
[13:16] plasticb1g: I thought it was fauxonomy when I first heard it
[13:16] plasticb1g: which I think is way better
[13:16] hober: better for whom?
[13:16] KevinMarks: thats cool
[13:16] NelsonMinar: that's a good pun
[13:16] KevinMarks: tagsonomy
[13:16] ChrisDodo: gah! tags aren't/don't have to be 'good'
[13:16] MattJones: the fuzzy logic version: fogsonomy
[13:16] genmon_: "good tags" stupid
[13:16] hober: ChrisDodo: exactly
[13:16] jbond: why do they have to be "better"
[13:16] plasticb1g: well it's less of a hideous etymological abomination, but only just
[13:16] seanbonner_: fucksonme
[13:16] neb_: fauxsonomy! i <heart> fuaxsonomy
[13:16] danyelf: Chris, Hober: I disagree.
[13:16] NelsonMinar: (Link: http://www.google.com/search?q=fauxonomy&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official)http://www.google.com/search?q=fauxonomy&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[13:16] plasticb1g: at the BBC we're using 'folk tags' cos it sounds less wanky
[13:16] NelsonMinar: hey, you already did that.
[13:16] DaveMc500hats: comeongetonomy
[13:16] KevinMarks: (Link: http://www.technorati.com/tag/fauxonomy)http://www.technorati.com/tag/fauxonomy
[13:17] plasticb1g: fauxonomy is nice, isn't it
[13:17] KevinMarks: you cna be first to blog it
[13:17] plasticb1g: we don't have to tell anyone then
[13:17] plasticb1g: I keep meaning to, never get around to it
[13:17] DaveMc500hats: fauxonomy is pretty sweet
[13:17] plasticb1g: you want me to?
[13:17] plasticb1g: I could do it now?
[13:17] danyelf: Specifically, bad tags make things like "recall" and "finding stuff again" and "organization" rough.
[13:17] KevinMarks: race you
[13:17] neb_: yay!
[13:17] MattJones: it's just faceted classification... >runds and hides<
[13:17] Suw: i hate the word folk - it reminds me of interminable music festivals in deepest darkest Sidmouth
[13:18] NelsonMinar: smelly hippies
[13:18] adamhill: filksonomy
[13:18] seanbonner_: i just think of gangs
[13:18] KevinMarks: try everythign once except incest and folk dancing?
[13:18] MattJones: funksonomy
[13:18] NelsonMinar: you'll be free ontologists, you'll be free
[13:18] todbot: droogsonomy
[13:18] genmon_: danyelf: they were talking about feedback on good/bad tags. if it's personal use, then just using the system is the feedback you need
[13:18] seanbonner_: In Chicago all the gangs are either "people" or "folks"
[13:18] NelsonMinar: join us now and share the metadata, you'll be free
[13:18] Suw: KevinMarks: did you just challenge tom to a blogging race? 
[13:18] neb_: volksonomy has a totalitarian ring
[13:18] MattJones: if you fake the funksonomy, your nose will grow
[13:19] * Suw puts money on tom blogging next before marks
[13:19] jbond: The funksonomy is on the mother ship. Funkadelic baby  
[13:19] ChrisDodo: well he is a lifetime award winning blogger
[13:19] jbond: Listen for The One 
[13:19] MattJones: free your tags, and your ass will follow
[13:20] UCSDBigD: nuther great movie
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[13:20] Suw: of course, for political blogs is should be Fawkesonomy
[13:20] jemstone: post funksonomy
[13:20] neb_: "flickr and delicious" is beginning to be paired like some kind of folk rock duo
[13:20] neb_: belle and sebatian
[13:20] NelsonMinar: no one talks about furl anymore
[13:20] ChrisDodo: no one here talks about furl ;)
[13:20] Suw: jemstone: punksonomy?
[13:20] danyelf: genmon_: we can talk about this offline, but there's a real challenge in the fact that I post "java" and you post "jdk", and i end up having a lot of trouble remembering which I used or how. Or making this cool resource I've found visible to everyone else.
[13:20] Suw: i like furl
[13:20] NelsonMinar: oh, he said "semantic web"
[13:21] todbot: and "folksonomic"
[13:21] TrevorFSmith: Did he just "folksonomic"?
[13:21] jbond: me makes sign of cross
[13:21] adamhill: boot to the head!
[13:21] hober: NelsonMinar: no, he said "Semantic Web":)
[13:21] ChrisDodo: danyelf: so you try one, and then the other
[13:21] MattJones: progrocksonomy
[13:21] KevinMarks: danyelf: look at related tags
[13:21] MattJones: the semantic web is a concept album
[13:21] UCSDBigD: can't we just fo rdf?
[13:21] ChrisDodo: the semantic web as a concept album
[13:21] * UCSDBigD ducks
[13:21] UCSDBigD: do
[13:21] NelsonMinar: or is that <bundle><noun xmlns="(Link: http://www.w3c.org/SentenceMarkup)http://www.w3c.org/SentenceMarkup">Semantic web</noun></bundle>
[13:21] KevinMarks: that reminds me, woudl there be interest in me giving a 'lowercase semantic web' talk this evening?
[13:22] adamhill: 'Tales of Semantic Oceans'
[13:22] plasticb1g: Cal's coming in with somehting funny
[13:22] hober: KevinMarks: yes
[13:22] seanbonner_: someone throw a rock at that guy
[13:22] plasticb1g: You ready for this
[13:22] plasticb1g: hours of thought
[13:22] jbond: Another namespace in the wall
[13:22] plasticb1g: It's too good, you may die
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[13:22] adamhill: hit us platic
[13:22] TrevorFSmith: plasticb1g: We're all sitting down.
[13:22] UCSDBigD: kevin - yep
[13:22] cheesebikini: blokesonomy
[13:22] sexygirl153: (Link: http://www.rubyonrael.com/)http://www.rubyonrael.com/
[13:22] plasticb1g: there you go
[13:22] plasticb1g: good isn't it
[13:23] UCSDBigD: SFW?
[13:23] NelsonMinar: awesome!
[13:23] plasticb1g: it's like a PUN!
[13:23] danyelf: kevin: ok, i grant that "related tags" is a step forward, but it tweaks navigation in various ways. which may be a good thing or not.
[13:23] ChrisDodo: _like_ a pun
[13:23] tengi: "Tales of Taxonomic Oceans"
[13:23] plasticb1g: you're laughing inside and you know youa re
[13:23] TrevorFSmith: It aspires to be a pun.
[13:23] Josh_D: "Court of the Crimson Tag" 
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[13:23] cheesebikini: thats baroquesonomy
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[13:23] ChrisDodo: gothsonomy?
[13:24] seanbonner_: (Link: http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001553.php)http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001553.php
[13:24] TrevorFSmith: drunksonomy?
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[13:24] plasticb1g: (Link: http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2005/03/folksonomy_vs_fauxonomy.shtml)http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2005/03/folksonomy_vs_fauxonomy.shtml
[13:24] plasticb1g: it's not a great post.
[13:24] seanbonner_: crapsonomy
[13:24] neb_: we are creating a jokesonmy
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[13:24] Josh_D: Drunksonomy would be useful the morning after, when you're wondering "what the hell did I _drink_ last night?" 
[13:24] ChrisDodo: plasticb1g: they'll take your award away
[13:24] * neb_ groans
[13:24] UCSDBigD: i needed irc and a laptop in highschool
[13:24] plasticb1g: I know. Shame.
[13:24] * sexygirl153 giggles
[13:24] UCSDBigD: instead, i'd say this crap out loud
[13:24] NelsonMinar: quiet part loud
[13:25] cheesebikini: mosquito in a nudist resort
[13:25] cybaea: Re Cory's EDS comments: See /.
[13:25] danyelf: chrisdodo, articulating all the "right" tags on a topic is rough. JDK, sure. Java, sure. Do I want programming_language, programming-langauge, IDE, and objectoriented too? it's non-trivial to figure out how ot distill a collective picture from a specific person.
[13:25] jbond: it's the Tagsurf guy
[13:25] danyelf: (er, "from a set of tagged items.")
[13:25] Suw: i never remember to tag :-/
[13:25] UCSDBigD: rdf
[13:25] jbond: Just waiting for Bill Kearney to stand up.
[13:25] seanbonner_: i auto tag
[13:25] TrevorFSmith: googleTagws
[13:26] plasticb1g: cybaea: what's the URL?
[13:26] sexygirl153: why does something ned to bring together all tagging
[13:26] sexygirl153: just shut up and die, taggers!
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[13:26] ChrisDodo: so tag visualisation?
[13:26] NelsonMinar: nokia cell phone
[13:26] cybaea: plasticb1g: (Link: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/16/1517207&from=rss)http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/16/1517207&from=rss
[13:26] seanbonner_: tagspot.com
[13:26] seanbonner_: taggster.com
[13:26] Suw: autotagging. that'd be good.
[13:26] NelsonMinar: has anyone done tags as, you know, tags? graffiti style?
[13:26] ChrisDodo: sonomyster
[13:26] cybaea: Just funny that /. should mention EDS in the title at the same time that Cory is speaking....
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[13:26] ChrisDodo: autotagging would kill it
[13:27] TrevorFSmith: googsonomy.
[13:27] rossm: tagging for other people to find has less productive social incentives
[13:27] TrevorFSmith: googlsonomy
[13:27] MattJones: NelsonMinar : yellowarrow.com = IRL tags
[13:27] MattJones: ?
[13:27] jbond: huh huh he said rdf
[13:27] NelsonMinar: joshua emits rdf!
[13:27] sexygirl153: RDF is teh sexy
[13:27] Suw: ChrisDodo: that presupposes it's alive to start with
[13:27] seanbonner_: the lobby is looking like a good idea right about thow
[13:27] Josh_D: Nelson: So you could write "bush sucks" on a wall, and then underneath it, smaller, "politics, usa"? 
[13:27] jbond: I emit RDF. but only when I;ve been drinking
[13:28] plasticb1g: rdf bukkake
[13:28] plasticb1g: oops - I said that out loud
[13:28] plasticb1g: shit
[13:28] jbond: LOL
[13:28] * plasticb1g looks shifty
[13:28] NelsonMinar: you are killing me
[13:28] neb_: bitkake!
[13:28] todbot: folkake
[13:28] plasticb1g: :D
[13:28] sexygirl153: hahahahahahahahaha
[13:28] MattJones: oops - (Link: http://global.yellowarrow.net/)http://global.yellowarrow.net/
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[13:28] UCSDBigD: heheh
[13:28] UCSDBigD: hehehe
[13:28] seanbonner_: bukakenonomy
[13:28] Josh_D: fauxakke? 
[13:28] lpqboy: Whoo, that was quick:  (Link: http://www.technorati.com/tag/fauxonomy)http://www.technorati.com/tag/fauxonomy
[13:28] jbond: must not LOL...
[13:28] seanbonner_: bang!
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[13:29] MattJones: bitkakke was idea after the 4th or the 5th beer last night?
[13:29] rossm: dr. presumes...
[13:29] ChrisDodo: finally a questioner i don't mind
[13:29] JSchwa: Was it Stewart or Josh that said "the point wasn’t to let you find all and only pictures of elephants, it was to give people better tools for organizing their own pictures, it was a happy accident that it worked across users. " [rough paraphrase]?
[13:29] seanbonner_: my blogging style is unstoppable
[13:29] knauer_: tagging the tags
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[13:29] sexygirl153: JSchwa: it was stewart
[13:29] Suw: you're scaring me, sean ;-)
[13:29] KevinMarks: sean wins
[13:29] TrevorFSmith: who will tag the tagger?
[13:30] joe_hughes: In a sense, tags are just the good old "keywords" metadata field + a UI that allows you to see everything with a particular keyword.  Is it really just the browsing/RSS interface that makes them so captivating?
[13:30] cybaea: knauer_: There is a SciFi story about that somewhere
[13:30] JSchwa: tx
[13:30] sexygirl153: yup
[13:30] MattJones: quid tagstodiet ipsos tagstodiet?
[13:30] seanbonner_: =)
[13:30] MattJones: or something
[13:30] KevinMarks: hm, ecto didn't post
[13:30] Suw: ha ha ha
[13:30] seanbonner_: MarsEdit did.
[13:30] Suw: MattJones++
[13:30] jbond: Tag the tagger: That's like pin the tail on the donkey, right
[13:30] knauer_: can we have a taxonomy of tags?
[13:30] MattJones: tagstodiem
[13:30] todbot: average search engine query length is only 2.5 words (and that's up from ~2 a year ago)  people naturally use small descriptions
[13:30] MattJones: (didn't go to public school)
[13:30] seanbonner_: might be time for some deliscious coffee
[13:30] Suw: jbond: but with a bigger pin
[13:31] Suw: tagtagsonomy
[13:31] Suw: metatagsonomy?
[13:31] jbond: seriously though: we need an ontology of folksnomies.
[13:31] cybaea: something about the corpus of knowledge stopping growing, but the knowledge about knowledge (K^2), the knowledge about K^2, ... etc
[13:31] jbond: they're not all the same
[13:31] KevinMarks: ah, yes it did but the squid here is hiding my post
[13:31] todbot: cybaea: yes.  if tags are nodes in a graph, we need to describe edges, links between tags
[13:31] Suw: squid? 
[13:31] TrevorFSmith: leaving now.  coffee.
[13:31] seanbonner_: it's a good thing we're discussing this discourse
[13:31] DaveMc500hats: amateur bukkake artist = chokesonomy
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[13:32] plasticb1g: HAHAH
[13:32] sexygirl153: hahahahahahahahahaha
[13:32] Josh_D: Ow. 
[13:32] neb_: hehe
[13:32] marksimpkins: humans, we don't need no stinking humans
[13:32] marksimpkins: oh, sorry
[13:32] seanbonner_: out
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[13:32] lobo_: tee hee
[13:32] jbond: flickr != del.icio.us != Technorati != wikipedia categories
[13:32] genmon_: the edges are the affinities based on a bunch of different factors: common usage by user, on resource, with other tags, time, etc
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[13:32] cybaea: Yes, and then they did knoowledge about the corpus of meta-knowledge. 
[13:32] cybaea: Coffee?
[13:32] cybaea: Did xomebody say coffee?
[13:32] KevinMarks: hence the tagspace idea
[13:32] cybaea: x=s
[13:32] UCSDBigD: when's break?  i'm swimming over here...
[13:32] plasticb1g: tags are fun
[13:33] genmon_: (Link: http://p.evnt.org/blog/2005/02/tag-relatedness)http://p.evnt.org/blog/2005/02/tag-relatedness
[13:33] sexygirl153: there's already a tags taxonomy - (Link: http://www.dictionary.com/)http://www.dictionary.com/
[13:33] MattJones: turtles all the way up. apparently
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[13:33] KevinMarks: but the tags are words
[13:33] plasticb1g: turtles in meatspace
[13:33] lobo_: mmmm dohnuts...
[13:33] cybaea: Memo to self: next year bring a pillow.  These seats are hard.
[13:33] sexygirl153: MEATSPACE
[13:33] danyelf: tag teams? tag, you're it?
[13:33] sexygirl153: oooh, photoshop time
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[13:33] marksimpkins: tag team wrestling
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[13:33] MattJones: whomp, there it is.
[13:33] Suw: with or without mud?
[13:33] jbond: tag treasure hunts
[13:33] Josh_D: Freeze tag? 
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[13:34] genmon_: i like the idea of tagging words in a dictionary
[13:34] Josh_D: out. 
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[13:34] KevinMarks: use the dictionary as a tagsapce
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[13:40] Suw: wow, when they go for coffee, they really go for coffee
[13:41] TrevorFSmith: And then we get back onlin.e
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[13:44] jseng: hey sniffles!
[13:44] * jseng hug sniffles.
[13:44] jseng: how are you dear?
[13:44] Suw: hey sniffles! jseng!
[13:44] jseng: hey suw
[13:45] Suw: one day, when i am all growed up, i want to come to one of these conferbumblence thingies
[13:45] jseng: sniffles, u here at etech? or still in canada?
[13:45] jseng: lol
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[13:45] Suw: :) 
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[13:45] Suw: KevinMarks++
[13:45] Suw: repeatedly
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[13:46] sniffles: woo. 
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[13:47] sniffles: jseng: i'm in canada :) 
[13:47] * sniffles hugs jseng back
[13:47] sniffles: been awhile!
[13:47] jseng: oww..i thought i finally get to see you...
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[13:47] jseng: yea, been a while
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[13:48] sniffles: salut SebPaquet
[13:48] jseng: so how have u been?
[13:49] SebPaquet: salut sniffles
[13:49] sniffles: jseng: hehe, sorry to disappoint! been good, more or less settled here now :) you?
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[13:49] jseng: flying around for conferences last few months
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[13:49] jseng: need to settle down next month at home...
[13:49] jseng: and get some work done
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[13:51] jseng: etech has been nice so far..altho this morning has been a bit draggy
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[13:52] sniffles: living the high life ;)
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[13:55] jseng: i am not sure this is what you call high life :P
[13:55] Suw: the geek highlife
[13:55] sniffles: jseng: heh, where's home these days?
[13:55] SebPaquet: 40,000 feet is high
[13:55] jseng: ya, more like geek life :P
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[13:55] jseng: still in singapore
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[13:56] jseng: sniffles, but hope to move soon
[13:57] sniffles: jseng: the geek high life where you spend more time in the air to fly to geeky places :)
[13:57] sniffles: oh, are you moving to the states?
[13:57] jseng: sniffles: i dunno..hawaii would be nice ;-)
[13:58] Suw: i'm sitting here on my own in the little computer room at etech on Kevin's laptop
[13:58] jseng: sniffles; or any place where i can get good broadband and good access to airports
[13:58] jseng: i saw you suw :-)
[13:58] Suw: jsomeone shoujdl come and say hi
[13:58] Suw: :)
[13:58] jseng: KM :-)
[13:58] jseng: see me?
[13:58] Suw: i did
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[13:58] jseng: lol
[13:58] jseng: cool
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[13:58] imajes: james
[13:58] * sniffles imagines jseng wearing orchid garlands :)
[13:58] jseng: hey james
[13:59] jseng: oh suw left the room
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[13:59] imajes: what's up
[13:59] Suw: yes, km's in search of power
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[13:59] Suw: hey james
[13:59] jseng: hahahaha
[13:59] Suw: wow, it's loud in the lobby bit
[13:59] * sniffles waves to imajes
[13:59] imajes: hey sniffles!
[14:00] Suw: people keep saying hello to me, but all i can do is wave 
[14:00] * imajes really doesn't want to watch the budget analysis again
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[14:00] jseng: suw is here virtually :-)
[14:00] jseng: lol
[14:00] * jbond waves
[14:00] imajes: Suw: how's that work out
[14:00] Suw: :)
[14:00] * cybaea waves at Suw
[14:00] jseng: that's so cool
[14:00] jseng: let me to go take a photo
[14:00] Suw: imajes: i am on vidchat with KM
[14:00] imajes: oh cool
[14:00] * Suw waves at everyone
[14:01] Suw: it's kinda patchy - hard to hear people and they have a hard time hearing me
[14:01] Suw: but it's fudn
[14:01] jseng: you hace any idea where you are suw?
[14:01] Suw: no, in a room with two screens
[14:01] imajes: i should do that
[14:01] jseng: ooh..okay main hall
[14:01] jseng: i go check it out
[14:01] cybaea: Cocktails?   Yum!
[14:01] Suw: in the conference room with lots of screens
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[14:02] KevinMarks: i moved in here to sit by the power...
[14:03] Suw: power++
[14:03] holgate: it's the hour of power.
[14:03] jseng: km, where are you?
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[14:03] Suw: i can't wait for those nuclear powered laptops to become no longer a health hazard
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[14:03] KevinMarks: i'm in the left side of the middle, by the power sockets
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[14:03] hober: just suck it up and take the radiation
[14:04] jbond: The power strips are the Tower of Power...
[14:04] Suw: hee hee
[14:04] Suw: so which talk is this? 
[14:04] plasticbag: Clay now
[14:04] jbond: I want a laptop that runs on Butane. With a USB cigarette lighter.
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[14:05] Suw: yeah, hydrogen fuel cells
[14:05] Ewan_: Hey Suw
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[14:05] Suw: hi ewan!
[14:05] jseng: hey suw..got ur photo
[14:06] Josh_D: Great, then they'll never allow my laptop on a plane again because it's an explosive device. :P 
[14:06] Suw: cool!! :)
[14:06] jseng: putting it up
[14:06] Suw: I can  imagine that at the security check... 'did you say this was a nuclear powered laptop?'
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[14:07] Ewan_: Proton packs at the ready?
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[14:09] sexygirl153: for those of you who were on the beach last night:
[14:09] sexygirl153: (Link: http://www.rubyonrael.com/meatspace/)http://www.rubyonrael.com/meatspace/
[14:09] Josh_D: Each of us is just wearing an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on his back...
[14:10] hober: must be some cockroach
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[14:10] KevinMarks: the real beach or the faux beach at the W?
[14:10] sexygirl153: faux, always faux
[14:11] holgate: "If Pacman had affected us as kids we'd be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music."
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[14:11] plasticbag: arf
[14:11] KevinMarks: ?whois sexygirl153
[14:11] jibot: Nobody has defined sexygirl153 yet
[14:11] Ewan_: Why Pacman? Defender was MUCH better
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[14:11] * sexygirl153 is me
[14:11] pixelcort: Try playing Defender on the street like that.
[14:11] plasticbag: Am I just really realyl well connected this year or is lots of the stuff people have talked about over the last 36 hours kind of familiar?
[14:11] KevinMarks: so, for defender, you have helicopters?
[14:12] Suw: hey joi!
[14:12] holgate: esp. in manhattan.
[14:12] Josh_D: It's in New York. If you were going to start shooting at green mutants, you'd end up starting a massacre. 
[14:12] Ewan_: Tom, probably...
[14:12] plasticbag: Sam Ruby's looking at me funny
[14:12] Suw: plasticbag: you're just too far ahead of the curve  
[14:12] Ewan_: Or it could be that the net iotself is devouring stories faster and reaching out more and more to the edges of geek envelopes
[14:12] * plasticbag is scared
[14:12] cybaea: plasticbag: No much new here this year
[14:12] cybaea: No==Not
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[14:13] KevinMarks: tom is shaping the curve wiht his gravitaional pull
[14:13] jbond: There was a *lot* of *beta* stuff last year. 
[14:13] plasticbag: oi! I am NOT FAT.
[14:13] Suw: ha ha ha
[14:13] Ewan_: Big boned?
[14:13] KevinMarks: but you are on the pull?
[14:13] plasticbag: always!
[14:13] Suw: what lies beyond the curve, tom? tell us! 
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[14:14] jibot: wseltzer is Wendy Seltzer and works for the EFF and blogs at (Link: http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/)http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/
[14:14] sexygirl153: meatspace
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[14:14] Suw: hey wendy
[14:14] wseltzer: hiya Suw, "saw" you on Kevin's screen
[14:14] marksimpkins: my phone told me to do it!
[14:14] * sniffles waves to JoiIto
[14:14] plasticbag: don't just SAY meatspace
[14:14] plasticbag: show us meatspace!
[14:14] sexygirl153: (Link: http://www.rubyonrael.com/meatspace/)http://www.rubyonrael.com/meatspace/
[14:15] Suw: i thought that was you! 
[14:15] sexygirl153: friendster -> dumpster
[14:15] KevinMarks: (Link: http://www.rubyonrael.com/)http://www.rubyonrael.com/
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[14:15] KevinMarks: is funnier
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[14:15] sexygirl153: indeed
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[14:16] plasticbag: Ruby's like a foot away from me
[14:16] plasticbag: I'm nervous
[14:16] Ewan_: All this is very nice, but it reminds me too much of an episode of Tomorrows World
[14:16] plasticbag: He's looking at me now
[14:16] plasticbag: HOW DOES HE KNOW
[14:16] plasticbag: HE"S NOT EVEN ONLINE
[14:16] plasticbag: he has a chip in his head
[14:16] cybaea: Mobjects: (Link: http://www.mobjects.net/)http://www.mobjects.net/
[14:16] Suw: wseltzer: it's hard to hear what people are saying though. 
[14:16] Suw: ha ha ha
[14:16] * Ewan_ sends Tom a d6+4 of confidence
[14:16] Suw: he's psychic
[14:17] sexygirl153: pycoctic
[14:17] Suw: coptic
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[14:17] sexygirl153: *psychotic
[14:18] Ewan_: Nokia 6630 first programmable platfrom phone? Ehrm Disagree strongly
[14:18] spaceboy: psycoptic
[14:18] sexygirl153: psycrow
[14:18] Ewan_: Still needs a SIM card to switch on
[14:18] spaceboy: psycrowbar
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[14:18] jibot: AndyBaio is Andy Baio, web programmer living/working in Santa Monica, CA and can be found at (Link: http://waxy.org)http://waxy.org or working on his new project, (Link: http://upcoming.org)http://upcoming.org
[14:18] Ewan_: Psy-Crow, wasn't he in 2000AD?
[14:18] sexygirl153: psycrowbarstool
[14:19] sexygirl153: nope, earthworm jim
[14:19] jseng: my god! the network is slow!!
[14:19] Ewan_: Nokia 9210 needed no SIM card and much more carrier free
[14:19] spaceboy: psycrowbarstoolpidgeon
[14:19] sexygirl153: psycrowbarstoolpidgeonstreet
[14:19] JimH_Taco: The 6630 is at least the 12th symbian phone released
[14:19] plasticbag: Shame he wasn't around yesterday to see the phonetags stuff
[14:19] plasticbag: we used a lot of those affordances with phones and SMS
[14:19] * JoiIto is in Milan on the way to Amsterdam and wishes he were at ETech
[14:19] spaceboy: psycrowbarstoolpidgeonstreetlight
[14:19] *** NelsonMinar has changed the topic on channel #etech to running in circles, chasing the long tail.
[14:20] sexygirl153: (Link: http://www.pigeonstreet.com/)http://www.pigeonstreet.com/
[14:20] FrankK: Hey Joi!
[14:20] JoiIto: hey Frank!
[14:20] Suw: JoiIto: you and me both
[14:20] sexygirl153: nice topic
[14:20] Ewan_: 12th Series 60 maybe, there's anotehr 40+ symbian devices out there
[14:20] FrankK: Ewan, where's the etech podcast? :)
[14:21] cybaea: Heartbeat: (Link: http://stage.itp.nyu.edu/~os284/cgi-bin/heartbeat/login.pl)http://stage.itp.nyu.edu/~os284/cgi-bin/heartbeat/login.pl
[14:21] Ewan_: It's being recorded. Not sure when I'll post it
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[14:21] jbond: Note VOIP at the end. Skype plus Wifi PDA plus free use of Broadreach Wifi in the UK = free mobile phone calls 
[14:21] FrankK: don't post too far away from the event - live is what it's about...
[14:21] Ewan_: When I do, it'll be at (Link: http://www.thepodcastnetwork.com/mobiles)http://www.thepodcastnetwork.com/mobiles
[14:21] JoiIto: OK. boarding. see ya
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[14:21] FrankK: and think of the down under delay ;))
[14:22] Ewan_: I know Frank ;-)
[14:22] FrankK: Ewan: I need to update your chatzilla pic with that flickr one
[14:22] Ewan_: :-)
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[14:22] Ewan_: Anyone in the room clsoe to Russell Beattie?
[14:23] FrankK: I thought you were ;)
[14:23] sexygirl153: emotionally?
[14:23] hober: he's 7 people away from me
[14:23] AndyBaio: Throw something at him
[14:23] FrankK: 7 degrees
[14:23] Suw: kicking distance?
[14:23] sexygirl153: kevin bacon
[14:23] hober: no, not kicking distance
[14:23] Ewan_: hober: Give him a nudge that the kilted one is by the mixing dsesk looking for him?
[14:23] Ewan_: KB game is 6
[14:23] plasticbag: which kilted one?
[14:24] FrankK: LOL
[14:24] plasticbag: hammersley or crow
[14:24] Ewan_: Kilt not UtiliSKirt
[14:24] FrankK: there's more than one?
[14:24] Ewan_: ]Ewan == Kilt. Hammersley is a Utiliskirt
[14:24] KevinMarks: there can be only one!
[14:24] hober: he's not quite in kick/nudge range
[14:24] plasticbag: ahhhhh
[14:24] Suw: men in skirts!!!!!!! 
[14:24] FrankK: KevinMarks can speak??? 
[14:24] Suw: damn
[14:24] AndyBaio: Crumple up a note and pass it down the aisle.  "Russell, do you like me?  Check __ YES or __ NO"
[14:24] Suw: i so wish i was there
[14:24] adamhill: see what you are missing Suw
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[14:24] Suw: i know!! 
[14:24] * Suw sobs
[14:24] TrevorFSmith: AndyBaio: snort
[14:25] hober: heh
[14:25] * Ewan_ huggles Suw
[14:25] Suw: tq ewan 
[14:25] Ewan_: np
[14:25] jbond: network speed --
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[14:25] jseng: ow..it takes forever to upload!
[14:25] Ewan_: So this guys invented teh Weasley Clock from Harry Potter?
[14:26] Earthman: Kind of an oxymoron right now
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[14:26] cybaea: Is it me, or is the white stone black?
[14:26] Suw: hang on, are they talking about co-presence via warm balls in your pocket? 
[14:26] plasticbag: You know what
[14:26] Josh_D: It's you. See the lovely clothes the emporer wears!
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[14:27] jibot: mamamusings is adult supervision
[14:27] plasticbag: I have a theory that all ubicomp is being developed by hormonal people in their early twenties
[14:27] cheesebikini: MSG jibot ?learn cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting cheesebikini.com - and working on placesite.com
[14:27] Suw: mamamusings!
[14:27] plasticbag: and really cheesy people too
[14:27] adamhill: hey mama-notaboy!
[14:27] mamamusings: suw!
[14:27] plasticbag: like people who are in love
[14:27] mamamusings: adamhill: ha!
[14:27] KevinMarks: hi liz
[14:27] mamamusings: hi, kevin
[14:27] holgate_: in love with their computers?
[14:27] Suw: you at etech mamamusings?
[14:27] plasticbag: I wonder what ubicomp would be like if it was designed by hassled mothers
[14:27] mamamusings: nope.
[14:27] mamamusings: just home from sxsw
[14:27] marksimpkins: PING WARFARE
[14:27] Ewan_: Seen this "protest button." PK Dick's "The Nowhere Man"
[14:27] mamamusings: you didn't see my rant? :)
[14:27] plasticbag: warm stones in your pockets that convey love!?
[14:27] plasticbag: I THINK NOT
[14:28] Suw: plasticbag: vidchat was invented for those in a state of limerance
[14:28] holgate_: ubi-dummy-comp.
[14:28] migurski: maybe if they were hooked up to your head, so your ears would be burning
[14:28] Earthman: Is that a hot rock in your pocket...?
[14:28] Suw: mamamusings: awww. i didn't - am behind on blog reading
[14:28] lobo_: Kewl
[14:28] cybaea: LOL
[14:28] KevinMarks: whihc rant, liz?
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[14:29] holgate_: plushies!
[14:29] wseltzer: combine the protest button with (against) the hot rocks
[14:29] mamamusings: well, it wasn't a rant, reall.
[14:29] SDEtech99: adorable.
[14:29] TrevorFSmith: like wearables: people who dress like crap telling us what we'll wear in the future
[14:29] mamamusings: my post about why i went to sxsw instead of etech (on m2m)
[14:29] Suw: mp3 plushies!
[14:29] migurski: ha
[14:29] jbond: I want my silver spandex one piece suit, now.
[14:29] mamamusings: and my comments on david w's post on why he went to etech
[14:29] jbond: bring back retro-futurism. Now.
[14:29] cheesebikini: already too many human needies
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[14:29] jseng: suw: view from this side: (Link: http://james.seng.sg/archives/2005/03/17/virtual_suw.html)http://james.seng.sg/archives/2005/03/17/virtual_suw.html
[14:29] lobo_: hehe
[14:30] cheesebikini: beautiful
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[14:30] jbond: furniture on IRC++
[14:30] Ewan_: we need a life size cardboard cutout of Suw
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[14:31] jbond: jibot extension to heckle drunk joito members
[14:31] tengi: ?learn tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department
[14:31] jibot: tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department
[14:31] cybaea: Ewan_: Scary thought
[14:31] cybaea: :-)
[14:31] plasticbag: (Link: http://www.needies.com/)http://www.needies.com/
[14:31] Ewan_: Look nobody needs to physically be here. Etech 2006 should be 100% viurtual
[14:31] Ewan_: That would be emerging
[14:31] Ewan_: :-)
[14:32] Suw: jseng: cool!! thanks! 
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[14:32] NelsonMinar: I'm in the overflow room and it's nicer than the main room
[14:32] NelsonMinar: but I could be in Amsterdam
[14:32] lobo_: placticbag: thx for the url
[14:32] Suw: cybaea: scary??
[14:32] jbond: we should meet in small groups virtually connected
[14:32] tengi: Ewan: who would carry around the laptops?
[14:32] Ewan_: We could get Roomba's
[14:32] jbond: It'll be like the back room at NotCon 1.0
[14:32] Ewan_: One Roolmba for every ten people in a geographical cluster
[14:32] NelsonMinar: I'm very excited about robots!
[14:32] jrnoded: but a virtual wine tasting might not work
[14:32] cybaea: Suw: Life-sized cutout of you... :-)
[14:32] SDEtech99: we have a roomba
[14:32] SDEtech99: it really works
[14:32] Ewan_: And the Roombas could have the cutoputs on the top
[14:33] Suw: NelsonMinar: n ot *too* excited i hope
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[14:33] Suw: cybaea: i suppose i'll give you the benefit of the doubt based onthe fact that a life-sized cutout of anyone is slightly spooky
[14:33] Suw: :-|
[14:34] holgate_: I'm waiting for the first Roomba to go postal when its integrated circuit remembers it's military tech.
[14:34] mikel_maron: hi migurski
[14:34] holgate_: Dr Roomba and Mr Killerbot.
[14:34] migurski: hey :)
[14:34] KevinMarks: we had a nearly-life-szie suw head on the laptop
[14:34] cybaea: Suw: can't compete with the real thing.
[14:34] Suw: althought highly pixelated
[14:34] Suw: *blushes*
[14:34] danyel: wow. a roomba with ptsd, lunging manically after the dust bunnies?
[14:34] wseltzer: a rather pixillated Suw-head
[14:34] Ewan_: memo - use make a shorter link if a url is on screen fort only two seconds
[14:34] migurski: mikel: you here virtually, or bodily?
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[14:34] jibot: todbot is not a bot and Tod E. Kurt, living at (Link: http://todbot.com/)http://todbot.com/ and Pasadena CA. He works at Overture (nee Goto.com, now Yahoo) but is really an robotics geek
[14:34] lobo_: cue cheezy muzac
[14:34] cheesebikini: why not a roomba that pees on you when someone is sad
[14:34] TrevorFSmith: Next ETech, I'm bringing a sofa.
[14:34] nebby:   where are the iRobot people to give us the super-scary presentation this year anyway?
[14:34] mikel_maron: virtually. i am eating dinner in england
[14:35] jbond: Roomba zapping dust bunnies with its military grade laser
[14:35] Suw: jbond: that they got of ptorrone
[14:35] SDEtech99: what's for lunch?
[14:35] KevinMarks: pixillated? You been drinking, Suw?
[14:35] Suw: ooh that's a thought
[14:35] Earthman: nebby:That *was* super-scary
[14:36] genmon: that irobot presentation was so scary because it started so gently
[14:36] genmon: so imagine these presentations flipping to evil half way through
[14:36] genmon: ITP making networked objects to mug people on the nyc subway
[14:36] holgate_: PacMan suit person uses phone messages to rob Manhattanites.
[14:37] DaveMc500hats: no 4th graders!  hear that Marc Canter?
[14:37] NelsonMinar: principal sells 4th grader art and keeps the money
[14:37] NelsonMinar: ruby on rael!
[14:37] * plasticbag looks nervous
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[14:37] plasticbag: he's. right. there.
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[14:37] plasticbag: he's. looking. into. my. mind.
[14:37] genmon: can we get a real life ruby on rail photo later?
[14:37] DaveMc500hats: rendezvous with rael?
[14:37] TrevorFSmith: Half way through this session, they'll describe how they then put the kids to work making commercial p0rn sites.
[14:37] sexygirl153: i fucking hope so
[14:38] * nebby imagines plastic engaged in psionic battle
[14:38] DaveMc500hats: YOWza
[14:38] * mamamusings wants to rendezvous with ruby on rael
[14:38] mamamusings: that might make etech feel more like sxsw :)
[14:38] migurski: "we had a great time in math last night"
[14:38] Suw: plasticbag: be thankful he's not looking into your brain. 
[14:38] DaveMc500hats: sx-tech
[14:38] Suw: cos that involves the top of your head being missing
[14:38] KevinMarks: what were those MJ revenge photos?
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[14:38] mamamusings: MJ was running around kissing everybody, leaving those great lipstick marks on their cheeks.
[14:38] marksimpkins: GREEN!!!
[14:38] todbot: what's up with the colorspace on the projectors?
[14:38] mamamusings: after a few hours, her friends turned the tables on her.
[14:38] TrevorFSmith: Did we just see a kid explaining a wiki?
[14:39] sexygirl153: no red
[14:39] DaveMc500hats: quick & easy... who's been teaching those kids?
[14:39] lobo_: don't make me angry, you won't like me when I'm angry...
[14:39] Ewan_: sx-tech? sex-tech might be better
[14:39] mamamusings: who's speaking?
[14:39] jbond: somebody stole the red
[14:39] nebby: someone stole the red from etech this year
[14:39] nebby: heh
[14:39] wseltzer: good sync with the monitors, too 
[14:39] hober: clearly, those kids haven't been in a protracted POV edit war on wikipedia
[14:39] plasticbag: her name is Tuesday
[14:39] Ewan_: Trevor, yes
[14:39] sexygirl153: there's been no red all week
[14:39] DaveMc500hats: x-tech
[14:39] plasticbag: I'm just saying
[14:39] genmon: Tuesday
[14:39] plasticbag: Parents are responsible for a lot
[14:39] jbond: t's a red free zone
[14:39] plasticbag: Tuesday
[14:39] todbot: better dead that red
[14:39] todbot: s/that/than
[14:39] NelsonMinar: I love how natural this kid's narrative of the technology is
[14:39] NelsonMinar: it all makes sense to her
[14:40] cybaea: Kids at ETech?  What will be the next....
[14:40] danyel: This is very weird. This WIKI really is being used as a hack around not having a file system. Which is fine, but it doesn't seem to be anything particualrly wiki about it. Are they collaboratively editing each other, fore xample?
[14:40] migurski: apple must love these kids, you can pracically hear the "TM's" in their speech
[14:40] plasticbag: what version of firefox was that?
[14:40] plasticbag: it was green
[14:40] * sniffles waves
[14:40] sniffles: off for a while, ciao folks
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[14:40] plasticbag: oh - everything's green
[14:40] plasticbag: I see
[14:40] jbond: attack of the green children
[14:40] DaveMc500hats: "get outta my face with that camera, so i can get back to my porn"
[14:40] KevinMarks: Firefox - envy edition
[14:40] NelsonMinar: won't someone please think of the children? It's not easy being green.
[14:40] JSchwa: (Link: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/03/microsoft_demos_weas.html)http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/03/microsoft_demos_weas.html
[14:40] holgate_: how many bloody eMacs were in that one classroom?
[14:40] cybaea: NelsonMinar: You know that for a fact?
[14:40] plasticbag: I know! Wasn't that great!
[14:40] sexygirl153: too many
[14:40] DaveMc500hats: Muppet Love
[14:41] todbot: not bloody, no red, remember. ;)
[14:41] lobo_: DaveMc500hats: he he
[14:41] genmon: danyel: not just a hack around the filesystem i think. there's something about the portability of the work, the fact there's a single copy that can be carried around. interesting
[14:41] holgate_: There aren't as many eMacs in Belgium.
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[14:41] DaveMc500hats: anyone seen "Meet the Feebles"?
[14:41] DaveMc500hats: high art
[14:41] holgate_: 'if the teacher goes to sleep'
[14:41] todbot: yes, muppetcore
[14:42] spaceboy: muppetspace
[14:42] sexygirl153: wheatspace
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[14:42] knauer_: If you like the Feebles, you'll love the Wombles
[14:42] DaveMc500hats: pretty amazing that the same guy does Meet the Feebles and then gets $300M to do LOTR.
[14:42] holgate_: fine-grained information.
[14:42] KevinMarks: emacs on an eMac?
[14:42] genmon: let a thousand flours bloom
[14:42] Earthman: That'll get you fired from Apple fer sher
[14:42] holgate_: vi on an IV.
[14:43] TrevorFSmith: "And after a while, they decided that their wiki wasn't expensive enough, so they bought a CMS support contract from IBM and now they're 30% feature specification."
[14:43] spaceboy: i'm wheatspace intolerant
[14:43] todbot: Meet the Hobbits
[14:43] NelsonMinar: pine on a tree
[14:43] joho: came on an emac
[14:43] plasticbag: *** BUY O"REILLY BOOKS ***
[14:43] richardhod: lol
[14:43] sexygirl153: are there actually any good oreilly web services books/.
[14:43] sexygirl153: ?
[14:43] Earthman: joho: Yay!
[14:43] KevinMarks: actually emacs ships on the emac
[14:43] plasticbag: Cal, you own every o'reily book every made
[14:43] holgate_: jed on a buggy in Beverly Hills.
[14:43] plasticbag: stop trying to look cool
[14:43] NelsonMinar: don't know of one, sexygirl. there's an Apache Axis book that's supposed to come out someday.
[14:43] sexygirl153: :)
[14:43] genmon: i heard that if the IMF are going to loan you money, you have to use Zope
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[14:44] sexygirl153: atrom book soon, but that's barely WS
[14:44] plasticbag: wikis are purple
[14:44] jbond: funded by astronauts
[14:44] sexygirl153: *atom
[14:44] plasticbag: gil sans?
[14:44] sexygirl153: 'atrom' would be cool
[14:44] holgate_: let me *atom.
[14:44] NelsonMinar: pr0nwiki is blue
[14:44] sexygirl153: wikis are sooooooooo dull
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[14:45] jbond: and their UI sux.
[14:45] * nebby sighs
[14:45] migurski: little bitta ruby
[14:45] jbond: Why do we need another html? that's different on every wiki platform?
[14:45] joho: stare at the screen for 60 seconds, then look at a white piece of paper...cool after image!
[14:45] cybaea: More green men
[14:45] NelsonMinar: I'm a little bit ruby. And a little bit rock and roll.
[14:45] holgate_: it's the Hulk family,
[14:45] DaveMc500hats: now that's green
[14:45] KevinMarks: because wikis were wriitten by perl hackers
[14:45] KevinMarks: so there has to be multiple wasy to do it
[14:45] holgate_: write-only websites?
[14:45] DaveMc500hats: you wouldn't like my wiki when i'm angry
[14:45] sexygirl153: the best thing about ruby is chunky bacon
[14:45] joho: "I don't care if you're black, white, or purple!" Green, though, worries me a little.
[14:46] jbond: ok. bored now.
[14:46] sexygirl153: very bored
[14:46] nebby: egads
[14:46] joho: how do you create a relationship between anna and something interesting?
[14:46] lobo_: jbond: seconded
[14:46] sexygirl153: why is this a both-rooms talk?
[14:46] * Suw does a wee dance on the desktop to keep you all amused
[14:46] cybaea: "PUT will create an instance on a new student."  And I thought you needed storks....
[14:46] holgate_: joho: ask spaceboy.
[14:46] NelsonMinar: Semantic Web!
[14:47] mamamusings: ah, if davidw is posting to the backchannel whoever's talking is doomed. :)
[14:47] jbond: Just write this xml in notepad and do a simple post to create a new account
[14:47] jrnoded: please dont wee on the desk
[14:47] spaceboy: we could use sexygirl
[14:47] NelsonMinar: RDF!
[14:47] joho: oh, please, mama!
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[14:47] mamamusings: :P
[14:47] KevinMarks: RDF in the year 3000
[14:47] sexygirl153: http put/delete is so annoying
[14:47] sexygirl153: just post
[14:47] holgate_: Really Dull Format
[14:47] jbond: woot v1.0
[14:47] mamamusings: that means they've lost your attention. which is a Bad Thing
[14:47] joho: and is it a coincidence that yesterday the backchannel was all serious and everything, and then mam arrived
[14:47] nebby: i think i hear the schoolbell ringing
[14:47] joho: mam=mama
[14:47] nebby: its timne for recess
[14:47] spaceboy: radical dance faction as any fule no
[14:47] * mamamusings attempts to look innocent
[14:47] Suw: mamamusings: what do you think of BlogHerCon?
[14:47] * jbond starting etherpeg
[14:48] jrnoded: why is everything a complete re-write?
[14:48] Earthman: Suw: HisTerical!
[14:48] joho: I hear that at sxsw, all the colors are represented
[14:48] mamamusings: suw, conflicted.
[14:48] Suw: hee hee
[14:48] sexygirl153: i want etherpeg for windows :(
[14:48] jbond: joho: what yellow as well?
[14:48] Suw: mamamusings: you think is it, or your feelings about it are? 
[14:48] KevinMarks: it's open source, get porting
[14:48] jbond: sexygirl. I've got it
[14:48] holgate_: run it off cygwin?
[14:49] mamamusings: on the one hand, i love the idea of getting women in tech together. but i don't want to brand it as just blogging. and i also want to integrate more, not segregate more. :/
[14:49] Suw: why do i feel i should start clapping at the end of each session? no one but  Kevin can hear me if i do
[14:49] migurski: suro-wiki!
[14:49] mamamusings: is there a video feed?
[14:49] sexygirl153: there's a windows port?
[14:49] jbond: sexyfirl: do a search for etherwatch
[14:49] Suw: mamamusings: yes, i would agree with that assessement
[14:49] Suw: and kevin has me on vidchat :)
[14:49] KevinMarks: next time I need a little external speaker
[14:49] Suw: so i have my own personal feed ;-)
[14:49] DaveMc500hats: did he change his name just for geek attention?
[14:49] mamamusings: nic
[14:49] Suw: ha ha ha
[14:49] sexygirl153: oooh, hanks
[14:49] KevinMarks: you coudl let liz have a turn, suw
[14:49] holgate_: yahoo buzz thing is a bit bollocks.
[14:49] mamamusings: s/nic/nice
[14:49] sexygirl153: *thanks
[14:50] mamamusings: nah, that's okay.
[14:50] todbot: words?  are those like tags?
[14:50] DaveMc500hats: "the blogger formerly known as sur-wiki"
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[14:50] mamamusings: i have kids going nuts in the background.
[14:50] Suw: kevin: sure, if she wants to i'm happyp to :)
[14:50] joho: Sir Wiki
[14:50] Suw: aah
[14:50] todbot: hahha
[14:50] Suw: Big Sur Wiki? 
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[14:50] jibot: ChrisDodo is also known as anti-mega and sometimes even Chris Heathcote and in Helsinki, Finland and is in San Diego already
[14:50] _adam_gfx: I like big Bloggers and I cannot lie.....
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[14:51] DaveMc500hats: Sir Wikkity Wikkity Wack don't come back
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[14:51] mamamusings: seanbonner...am liking your conference blogging. 
[14:51] KevinMarks: suw has some nuts too
[14:51] Suw: hee hee
[14:51] seanbonner: mamamusings: Thanks!
[14:51] Suw: pistachios. yum. 
[14:52] DaveMc500hats: he said Ontology.  heh heh
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[14:52] MattJones: NelsonMinar ++ on the kid describing wikis
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[14:53] DaveMc500hats: (Link: http://www.randomhouse.com/features/wisdomofcrowds/)http://www.randomhouse.com/features/wisdomofcrowds/
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[14:54] joho: his NYer column-ing is awesome.
[14:54] cybaea: Ewan should do a "Wisdom of Crows" version.  What's that URL again E?
[14:54] holgate_: The Wisdom of Cows.
[14:54] AndyBaio: The book is good.  Highly recommended.
[14:54] _sj_: MattJones: which kid?
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[14:55] migurski: he's one of the four consistently great NYer writers - Gladwell, Lane, Gopnik
[14:55] DaveMc500hats: GoogleFight: Blink vs 'Wisdom of Crowds' -- (Link: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=blink&word2=%22wisdom+of+crowds%22)http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=blink&word2=%22wisdom+of+crowds%22
[14:55] holgate_: Gourevitch is good too.
[14:55] ChrisDodo: how is the talk?
[14:55] holgate_: nice ref to bookies.
[14:56] MattJones: _sj_ : the one that was describing the wiki in the school... nelson said: "NelsonMinar: I love how natural this kid's narrative of the technology is
[14:56] MattJones: NelsonMinar: it all makes sense to her"
[14:56] holgate_: You have to live in a state/country that allows betting to really appreciate how bookies know their stuff. Watching the collective stuff going on at an on-track betting area is amazing.
[14:56] Earthman: (Link: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=gladwell+blink&word2=%22wisdom+of+crowds%22)http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=gladwell+blink&word2=%22wisdom+of+crowds%22
[14:56] Earthman: (a little closer)
[14:56] joho: Is it just me, or is he looking a little green?
[14:56] NelsonMinar: matt - I've tried to explain wikis to adults, it's hard. this kid just got it.
[14:57] jemstone: guess the weight of an ox : statistician: (Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton
[14:57] DaveMc500hats: yeah, not quite a fair fight 1 keyword vs 3
[14:57] migurski: "anything invented after you were born is technology"
[14:57] DaveMc500hats: (yours is better)
[14:57] KevinMarks: "technology is stuff that doesn't work yet"
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[14:57] Earthman: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable to a venture capitalist
[14:58] seanbonner: I was born in 75 and conside a bunchacrap from before that technology
[14:58] migurski: hah
[14:58] cheesebikini: labs.google.com/googlex
[14:58] DaveMc500hats: any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic -- dollar for name that quoter
[14:58] AndyBaio: Kevin: ha
[14:58] holgate_: technology is something that you had to fix for your parents when growing up.
[14:58] NelsonMinar: arthur c clarke
[14:58] DaveMc500hats: earthman damn you, beat me to it
[14:58] AndyBaio: Whoops, I take that back.  
[14:58] ccoryell: brian eno "technology is that which doesn't work guite right yet"
[14:58] AndyBaio: Earthman: ha
[14:58] * Earthman bows
[14:58] DaveMc500hats: nelson what's your paypal addr? ;)
[14:58] KevinMarks: (Link: http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/19990901-00-a.html)http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/19990901-00-a.html
[14:59] NelsonMinar: nelson@paypalsucks.com :-)
[14:59] * NelsonMinar looks sheepish
[14:59] seanbonner: Arthus C Clarke
[14:59] cybaea: Running robots: (Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4351639.stm)http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4351639.stm
[14:59] seanbonner: Arthur
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[14:59] DaveMc500hats: heh... i don't care since i left baby.  dish all u want :)
[14:59] seanbonner: it's been mentioned a lot this weekend
[14:59] migurski: weren't ants the big topic two years ago?
[14:59] KevinMarks: "I suppose earlier generations had to sit through all this huffing and puffing with the invention of television, the phone, cinema, radio, the car, the bicycle, printing, the wheel and so on, but you would think we would learn the way these things work, which is this:
[14:59] KevinMarks:  1) everything that¹s already in the world when you¹re born is just normal;
[14:59] KevinMarks:  2) anything that gets invented between then and before you turn thirty is incredibly exciting and creative and with any luck you can make a career out of it;
[14:59] KevinMarks:  3) anything that gets invented after you¹re thirty is against the natural order of things and the beginning of the end of civilisation as we know it until it¹s been around for about ten years when it gradually turns out to be alright really.
[14:59] KevinMarks: Apply this list to movies, rock music, word processors and mobile phones to work out how old you are."
[15:00] wseltzer: KevinMarks++
[15:00] KevinMarks: douglasadams++
[15:00] cybaea: with videos :-)
[15:01] KevinMarks: that essay is total brilliance
[15:01] DaveMc500hats: (Link: http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/thehitchhikersguidetothegalaxy.html)http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/thehitchhikersguidetothegalaxy.html
[15:01] Earthman: Is that how they always find my garbage pail?
[15:01] DaveMc500hats: *SOME* human beings are not ants
[15:01] plasticbag: hang on a nminute. I thought we WERE ants
[15:01] cybaea: Thank God!  We are not insects
[15:01] KevinMarks: "What should concern us is not that we can¹t take what we read on the internet on trust ­ of course you can¹t, it¹s just people talking ­ but that we ever got into the dangerous habit of believing what we read in the newspapers or saw on the TV ­ a mistake that no one who has met an actual journalist would ever make. One of the most important things you learn from the internet is that there is no Œthem¹ out there. It¹s just an awf
[15:01] KevinMarks: ul lot of Œus¹."
[15:02] plasticbag: jeez. life is confusing.
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[15:02] DaveMc500hats: where's the sugar?
[15:02] * Earthman is an uncle
[15:02] * Ewan_ Ahhh... DairyMilk ch0colateI
[15:02] nebby:  follow the tags
[15:02] wseltzer: sometimes we can find coffee that way
[15:02] cheesebikini: how avuncular
[15:02] joho: i'm emitting pheromones right now.
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[15:02] DaveMc500hats: example: Paris Hilton
[15:02] tengi: what does that last comment say about irc?
[15:02] cybaea: Shhhh.  You are lowering the intellignece of the room.
[15:03] Ewan_: antstag with acid , we use FIickr
[15:03] jbond: Kevin, that may be true but it's ***ing ageist
[15:03] nebby: RDF pheremones?
[15:03] cybaea: tengi: We type, don't talk
[15:03] Suw: chocolate?!
[15:03] DaveMc500hats: how do u spell that?
[15:03] Suw: i need more chocolate
[15:03] tengi: aha!
[15:03] KevinMarks: read the whole thing, jbond
[15:03] KevinMarks: (Link: http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/19990901-00-a.html)http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/19990901-00-a.html
[15:03] jbond: ok. 
[15:03] DaveMc500hats: nice Ewan (ant tagging vs people tagging)
[15:04] joho: I'm avuncling right now.
[15:04] marksimpkins: ant music, 
[15:04] marksimpkins: ahhhh
[15:04] migurski: antcore
[15:04] jbond: I used to have this theory that you could work out people's age by looking at their ecord collection. Because everyone stops buying music at 22
[15:04] marksimpkins: all i have now is adam and the bloody ants in my head
[15:04] Earthman: They must have a better build system
[15:04] * mamamusings wouldn't mind a chocolate martini right now
[15:04] sexygirl153: hahahaha
[15:04] jbond: But it's bollox
[15:04] DaveMc500hats: baaa
[15:04] nebby: <friend> or <foe>
[15:04] sexygirl153: time for a nap
[15:05] KevinMarks: well, I stopped buying records than
[15:05] Suw: oooh that's a point. i have vodka in the freezer
[15:05] holgate_: "I can calculate the motions of the heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people."
[15:05] Ewan_: Just wait for Diana Dores tocome in from the back
[15:05] jbond: Why should I stop being a neophile at 40.
[15:05] cheesebikini: only if they were 22 when napster hit
[15:05] mamamusings: suw, i'll be in oxford in july. 
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[15:05] jibot: rubys is Sam Ruby and in Raleigh, NC and can be found at (Link: http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/)http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/ and hosts the Atom wiki at (Link: http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/FrontPage)http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/FrontPage
[15:05] jrnoded: microsoft had chocolate martinis last night
[15:05] mamamusings: !
[15:05] Suw: mamamusings: ooh cool!! let me know when exactly and i'll come up and visit
[15:06] Suw: ooh not fair. chocolate_martinis++
[15:06] DaveMc500hats: b4 his book, Influence: the Psychology of Persuasion... fascinating book  (Link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688128165/sixapart-20)http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688128165/sixapart-20
[15:06] KevinMarks: Jane Jacobs said this in Death and Life of American cities 40 years ago
[15:06] * plasticbag looks shifty
[15:06] plasticbag: hey sam!
[15:06] mamamusings: btw, if any of you there on site run into my old friend Shawn Collins, who's at his first etech, be nice to him.
[15:06] DaveMc500hats: Influences > Blink > Crowds
[15:07] * Suw nudges plasticbag and smirks
[15:07] rubys: Hey tom!
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[15:07] holgate_: first person to act in a heads-up game wins the pot.
[15:07] jrnoded: potty break
[15:07] cheesebikini: this is a rehash of the book...
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[15:07] joho: I'm looking up right now and no one is imitating me. Am i doing it wrong?
[15:07] migurski: that's why this stuff works best in NYer format.
[15:07] Earthman: Is this like the afternoon sessions?
[15:07] DaveMc500hats: can't believe i'm saying this, but I NEED MORE POWERPOINT SLIDES
[15:08] marksimpkins: this is such an insight
[15:08] NelsonMinar: add some animations
[15:08] cybaea: DaveMc500hats: Nah, you want MacKay -  (Link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/051788433X)http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/051788433X
[15:08] joho: green powerpoints++
[15:08] plasticbag: I"M SORRY SAM
[15:08] NelsonMinar: do some transitions. people love transitions in powerpoint
[15:08] plasticbag: I COULDN"T HELP IT
[15:08] holgate_: powerpoint swings and roundabouts++
[15:08] plasticbag: CAL MADE ME DO IT
[15:08] NelsonMinar: star wipe
[15:08] rubys: LOL
[15:08] plasticbag: ACTUALLY CAL DID IT
[15:08] plasticbag: YES! YES! IT WAS ALL HIM
[15:08] jbond: It's real hard to blog and IRC without ppts to keep you on track
[15:08] joho: plasticbag, your caps light is on
[15:08] marksimpkins: puppets?
[15:08] holgate_: Charles Kindleberger too: 'Manias, Panics and Crashes'
[15:08] cybaea: Why is TOm shouting?
[15:08] DaveMc500hats: cybaea: thx 4 link
[15:08] plasticbag: no - I was being hysterical
[15:08] Suw: joho: i think he's having a temporary meltdown
[15:08] cheesebikini: puptents?
[15:08] joho: Ooh, wisdom of crowds meets tipping point! We're talking bestseller squared!
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[15:08] nebby: he's capitulating
[15:09] holgate_: (Link: www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471161713/)www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471161713/
[15:09] * Suw gives tom a hug and feeds him chocolate martini
[15:09] marksimpkins: wisdom of crocodiles
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[15:09] jibot: gustaf is (Link: http://stureby.net/gustaf)http://stureby.net/gustaf
[15:09] KevinMarks: only if they are sparsely networked
[15:09] migurski: wisdom of tippsy crowds
[15:09] Suw: intravenously
[15:09] mamamusings: hey! no martini for me?!?
[15:09] joho: the wisdom of the cowed?
[15:09] nebby: crowd tipping
[15:09] KevinMarks: he hasn't read Watts right
[15:09] Suw: and one for mama too of course
[15:09] mamamusings: clearly i should be using caps lock too :(
[15:09] gustaf: feck, that url is oooold
[15:09] jbond: cold in here
[15:09] holgate_: oh, god, ubiquity is no guarantee of quality, yeahyeah.
[15:09] marksimpkins: oh, does he have a book out then ?
[15:10] * gustaf gestures rudely at jibot
[15:10] cybaea: Cocktails tonight
[15:10] Suw: mamamusings: hysteria is always good for getting symmpathy
[15:10] joho: first pascal quote: 12:10pm on second day. Noted.
[15:10] NelsonMinar: did they put a traffic shaper on our network? I'm getting 5k/sec
[15:10] KevinMarks: (Link: http://www.santafe.edu/sfi/publications/Working-Papers/00-12-062.pdf)http://www.santafe.edu/sfi/publications/Working-Papers/00-12-062.pdf
[15:10] KevinMarks: oh, that might be suw's fault
[15:10] * Suw looks innocent
[15:11] cybaea: Sit still Suw - less bandwidht that way
[15:11] DaveMc500hats: he said homogeneity
[15:11] lyza: cocktails?
[15:11] DaveMc500hats: he
[15:11] Suw: i'm doing a public service by being here virtually
[15:11] KevinMarks: she's pulling 70k and sending 30
[15:11] * Suw is not pulling at all!! 
[15:11] joho: kevin are you referring to her tax position?
[15:11] cybaea: lyza: Cocktails!  Apple are buying
[15:11] Suw: ha ha ha 
[15:11] holgate_: she's on the pull.
[15:11] Suw: i wish!
[15:11] lyza: cybaea: Wow! A double win!
[15:11] seanbonner: I'm streaming video down in the lobby, that's cool right?
[15:11] * lyza loves apple
[15:11] seanbonner: and running an MP3 server
[15:11] seanbonner: and...
[15:11] Suw: seanbonner: i am bound to say, 'Yes' to that
[15:12] * cybaea loves cocktains....
[15:12] Suw: hee hee
[15:12] joho: i always feel so clean and fresh scrubbed after standing under a hot information cascade
[15:12] * cybaea loves cocktails
[15:12] * cybaea can't type anymore....
[15:12] DaveMc500hats: geeks don't wear ties dude
[15:12] * Suw 's tax position is 'hiding behind the sofa'
[15:12] *** JSchwa has signed off IRC ().
[15:12] joho: go for the "small pieces loosely joined" ref! please! do it!
[15:12] holgate_: loose ties and open buttons.
[15:12] lyza: What's for lunch down there?
[15:12] lyza: Trying to decide if I should leave the hotel...
[15:12] DaveMc500hats: except at the Power Exchange ;)
[15:12] joho: suw ++
[15:12] KevinMarks: no it isn't
[15:12] Suw: holgate_: get a room!
[15:12] SDEtech99: the chicked yesterday was flavorless
[15:12] KevinMarks: read the paper, surowicki
[15:13] lyza: I was afraid of that :/
[15:13] joho: Loose Thais are for lunch
[15:13] lyza: ewww
[15:13] jbond: Right. Times up. Get him off.
[15:13] SDEtech99: loose thais?  what's that?
[15:13] Suw: joho: i thought they were for a nightcap?
[15:13] * lyza throws tomatoes
[15:13] plasticbag: I'm feeling sleepy
[15:13] KevinMarks: Mai tais?
[15:13] plasticbag: time difference finally catching up with me
[15:13] joho: Pad ties, but the sheets have been torn off the pad
[15:13] jbond: My Thais
[15:13] marksimpkins: its babble corner
[15:14] Suw: plasticbag: ooh it's' only 8.15 here
[15:14] DaveMc500hats: SixApart in SE asia: ThaiPad
[15:14] * Suw gives tom a slap about a bit to wake him up
[15:14] Suw: DaveMc500hats++
[15:14] *** SDEtech99 is now known as BigD.
[15:14] DaveMc500hats: (bow)
[15:15] marksimpkins: will to live.....
[15:15] marksimpkins: going...
[15:15] NelsonMinar: blogosphere!
[15:15] cybaea: I just got an O'Reilly e-mail starting "Many people have no idea of the evils that exist across the Internet..." - huh?
[15:15] lyza: There is some Very Annoying Guy in a Kilt who plays bagpipes below my hotel balcony for about ten hours a day. I am perhaps being serenaded but I think I should like to throw rocks and eggs at him.
[15:15] migurski: worst. word. ev-ar.
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[15:15] lyza: Could someone email me a rock?
[15:15] lyza: infotainment takes my "worst word" award for this month.
[15:15] Earthman: Pascal didn't have IRC
[15:15] * Earthman could use some randomness in the system 
[15:15] *** jseng has signed off IRC (Remote closed the connection).
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[15:16] holgate_: monetize already won for march.
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[15:16] wseltzer: qzncnxvpoi (randomness)
[15:16] jbond: I hate : Advertorial
[15:16] migurski: incentivize
[15:16] KevinMarks: he is misrepresenting Watts
[15:16] joho: In April there's a moratorium on creating any neologism that begins "wiki"
[15:16] jbond: advertorial--
[15:16] DaveMc500hats: (Link: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=blogosphere&word2=folksonomy)http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=blogosphere&word2=folksonomy
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[15:16] marksimpkins: wikitorial
[15:16] *** [1]Ewan_ has joined #etech.
[15:16] lyza: Keep them coming!
[15:16] migurski: wikitainment
[15:16] * lyza makes a list
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[15:16] joho: wikigosphere
[15:16] DaveMc500hats: Blogosphere beats the crap out of Folksonomy (1.7M > 150k)
[15:17] marksimpkins: wiki wiki whizz bang ping
[15:17] migurski: give folksonomy time
[15:17] marksimpkins: my mind is going...
[15:17] seanbonner: blogoschmere
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[15:17] joho: ranking one's sex partners: fucksonomy?
[15:17] lyza: i-anything
[15:17] KevinMarks: "this coudl apply to the blogoshpere but this margin is too small to contain it"
[15:17] cybaea: Spying on your family - is that a Good Think?  ((Link: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1931836418/)http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1931836418/)
[15:17] lyza: (sorry iFab guys!)
[15:17] joho: are we done? please are we done? please lunch? please?
[15:17] * KevinMarks suspects a pitch for a new book
[15:17] cybaea: Think-Thing
[15:17] mattb: one more session
[15:17] lyza: Lunch?!
[15:17] Suw: yes! lunch! 
[15:17] jbond: extreme mobile computing
[15:17] lyza: It's too bad it's so crappy outside.
[15:17] Suw: take me with you!! 
[15:17] marksimpkins: FEED ME!!!!!
[15:17] BigD: i've seen this guy on Deadwood
[15:18] joho: noooo! not "the last thing standing between you and lunch...."
[15:18] tengi: del.icio.us lunch?
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[15:18] seanbonner: lunch sounds rather good
[15:18] lyza: I might be tempted to eat out there...
[15:18] danyel: A del.icio.us lunch? 
[15:18] spaceboy: tags for lunch?
[15:18] NelsonMinar: half the overflow room is clearing out
[15:18] DaveMc500hats: he said Deli.cio.us
[15:18] [1]Ewan_: hes not from nokia - he has more than onre tone of voice
[15:18] Suw: was that a delicious lunch, or a del.icio.us lunch? 
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[15:18] danyel: ok, i guess that joke was pretty obvious.
[15:18] migurski: (Link: http://del.icio.us/tag/lunch)http://del.icio.us/tag/lunch
[15:18] wseltzer: suw, you can probably get a tastier lunch
[15:18] DaveMc500hats: danyel > DaveMc > Suw
[15:18] plasticbag: where's the nokia slide of death
[15:18] jbond: yay powerpoint
[15:18] plasticbag: do you think they'll show it this year?
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[15:18] *** [1]Ewan_ is now known as Ewan_.
[15:18] seanbonner: foodsonmomy
[15:18] Ewan_: He's not propoer Nokia - no Finns this year
[15:18] ChrisDodo: we demand the slide!
[15:18] spaceboy: it's compulsory the slide of death
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[15:18] wseltzer: foodsonyou?
[15:18] plasticbag: if I was him, I'd soooo use the slide of death
[15:18] Suw: wseltzer: i'ave had lunch *and* dinner already today :)
[15:18] Ewan_: Anyone got it from last year?
[15:19] migurski: slide of death?
[15:19] plasticbag: just to make a point
[15:19] KevinMarks: there's a moratorium on making words our of tlds too
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[15:19] jbond: where's everywhere girl. She should be here.
[15:19] DaveMc500hats: stop sean bonner b4 he puns again!
[15:19] plasticbag: oooh - shiny corporate powerpoint
[15:19] spaceboy: stockimagetastic
[15:19] cybaea: Phone rining ... :-)
[15:19] Suw: DaveMc500hats: bad lag
[15:19] joho: is nokia a conf sponsor?
[15:19] DaveMc500hats: 2nd
[15:19] marksimpkins: wikimobileedge
[15:19] KevinMarks: since the cook islands adopted the .co prefix wihtout irony
[15:19] Suw: brb
[15:19] plasticbag: want phone
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[15:19] Ewan_: Nokia is a sponsor, yes
[15:19] Earthman: Q: Why are puns universally regarded as the lowest form of humor?
[15:19] marksimpkins: stodgy?
[15:19] KevinMarks: giving urls like telecom.co.ck
[15:19] Earthman: A: Jealousy
[15:19] plasticbag: where's the dslide of death?!
[15:19] joho: on the edge = mobile phones?
[15:19] DaveMc500hats: powerpoing by Nokia!
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[15:19] DaveMc500hats: point, shit
[15:19] Ewan_: Earthman, indeed, when "Keeping Up Appearances" exisits. Thats lower
[15:19] plasticbag: I'm going ot look in flickr
[15:19] plasticbag: must be there
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[15:20] BigD: should we have an irc section at lunch?
[15:20] holgate_: (Link: http://paulschreiber.com/nokiaslide.jpg)http://paulschreiber.com/nokiaslide.jpg
[15:20] DaveMc500hats: "Manageable" wow, i get it now...
[15:20] joho: to make the edge work?? Doesn't the edge work without nokia?
[15:20] mamamusings: (Link: http://flickr.com/photos/joi/6186/)http://flickr.com/photos/joi/6186/
[15:20] marksimpkins: powerpoing - a new nokia product
[15:20] spaceboy: pah, not there
[15:20] mamamusings: ask and ye shall receive
[15:20] migurski: 404
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[15:20] crysflame: googlex is down :(
[15:20] BigD: no one would get a word in edgewise...
[15:20] joho: the edge is the def of "working"
[15:20] Earthman: My mom doesn't want the edge
[15:20] DaveMc500hats: heh
[15:20] Ewan_: too much PR crap here
[15:20] joe_hughes: making the edge available to your mom
[15:20] migurski: this slide lacks an internet cloud
[15:20] Ewan_: what tools
[15:20] joho: reliability robustness ... that was unexpected!
[15:20] jbond: Tache *and* ponytail. Wow!
[15:20] DaveMc500hats: way
[15:20] Ewan_: what systems
[15:20] BigD: yer mom i son the edge
[15:21] marksimpkins: isn't he in a dodgy irish geetar band combo
[15:21] DaveMc500hats: he said Scalable
[15:21] marksimpkins: edge
[15:21] cybaea: Somebody please ask him to get to the point
[15:21] Ewan_: 'on the edge' or the edge of reason. or from U2
[15:21] joho: ah, scalable! i knew he'd left something out!
[15:21] DaveMc500hats: Scaleable?
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[15:21] migurski: i think he should continue prepending buzzwords
[15:21] spaceboy: wheres this guy left his horse?
[15:21] Ewan_: BRING BACK THE FINNS
[15:21] holgate_: Deadwood.
[15:21] Earthman: Soloootions
[15:21] KevinMarks: the slide says 'Robust reliable responsible'
[15:21] plasticbag: hahahaha
[15:21] * Ewan_ must not heckle
[15:21] cybaea: scalable, disconnected, ... BINGO!
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[15:21] BigD: talks a lot about his mom...
[15:21] jbond: the horse with no name
[15:21] marksimpkins: edgewiki
[15:21] Suw: heckle!! 
[15:21] Suw: heckle! 
[15:21] joho: are all our moms techno-morons?
[15:21] DaveMc500hats: (Link: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=scalable&word2=scaleable)http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=scalable&word2=scaleable
[15:21] KevinMarks: so we know who to blame
[15:21] spaceboy: oedpial
[15:21] mamamusings: the channel is much more entertaining when the speakers aren't.
[15:21] Ewan_: sysadmin on phone - you mean S60 v3 with networks able to audit installed programms remotly
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[15:22] spaceboy: thats why he's so intested in his handheld
[15:22] joho: bring your mom to the edge and give her just a little push
[15:22] BigD: heh
[15:22] Ewan_: Series 90 scrubbed out of existnece
[15:22] Earthman: Give your Mom the S60 SDK
[15:22] joho: spaceboy : )
[15:22] richardhod: mam stop seeding your thoughts, naughty
[15:22] plasticbag: jeez - where's the crapping slide of death!?
[15:22] cybaea: Corporate pr
[15:22] KevinMarks: "your mom can't work her cellphone"
[15:22] mamamusings: why does nobody talk about their *dad* as the edge case?
[15:22] mamamusings: :P
[15:22] Ewan_: let your mum try to get the smtp details into s60
[15:22] DaveMc500hats: memorable names there... Series 40, Series 60, Series 80
[15:22] jbond: he's gibbering
[15:22] migurski: because dads try to make stuff work and fail
[15:22] Ewan_: wealth == 3
[15:22] mattb: vendor pitch! vendor pitch!
[15:22] richardhod: what's the point of this talk?
[15:22] mattb: content-free!
[15:22] spaceboy: cos everyone know women can't do tech once thier menopausal
[15:22] mattb: old news!
[15:22] joho: dad's figured out how to use the tv remote so he's obviously a technical genius
[15:22] DaveMc500hats: how much did they pay O'Reilly for this speaking slot?
[15:22] migurski: i thought it was "Pythong"
[15:22] KevinMarks: the point is Nokia paid for it
[15:22] Ewan_: python is only on s60, not 40 or 80
[15:22] Suw: my dad breaks things
[15:22] lyza: Girls are dumb
[15:23] marksimpkins: the edge has been kind of blunted now, the amount of times he has said it..
[15:23] spaceboy: its the hot flushes, interferes with teh power
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[15:23] Ewan_: my dad is happy with a 7650
[15:23] KevinMarks: $45,000 iirc
[15:23] mamamusings: spaceboy, thanks for clarifying
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[15:23] jbond: I think we should all walk out
[15:23] Ewan_: he hasn't broken it after 3 months
[15:23] richardhod: but MAtt ban talkinterestingly and he's nokia. that's no excuse
[15:23] KevinMarks: Rael was handing a price list round at web 2.0
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[15:23] DaveMc500hats: rate of IRC heckling ~= inversely proportional to speaker interest level
[15:23] migurski: richardhod++
[15:23] holgate_: contractualobligationsponsortalk.
[15:23] joho: 149 operators are standing by...
[15:23] richardhod: can we organise a collective action through the ackchannel and all walk out at the same time?
[15:23] Ewan_: any idea how much they paid?
[15:23] * lyza sends a virual heckle
[15:23] holgate_: call now!
[15:23] joho: can we all look up at the same time?
[15:23] cybaea: joho: lol
[15:23] richardhod: say we did a countdown in a few minutes?
[15:23] lyza: we so need a hecklebot
[15:23] KevinMarks: lets go to lunch
[15:23] Ewan_: 350 million jhava devices. how many running midp 1.0 and 2.0?
[15:23] mamamusings: dave, yes, that's been observed before. :)
[15:23] spaceboy: whats for lunch?
[15:23] jbond: really. 
[15:23] Suw: oooh nice arm i can see
[15:24] BigD: lets all set off our cell phones at the same time
[15:24] Suw: km: lunch!! 
[15:24] DaveMc500hats: sorry, i'm a newbie here
[15:24] Ewan_: we need irc on the side screen
[15:24] Suw: somewhere with wifi
[15:24] plasticbag: (Link: http://joi.typepad.com/photos/etech2004/photo_library_3255.jpg)http://joi.typepad.com/photos/etech2004/photo_library_3255.jpg
[15:24] richardhod: ok, let's do a countdown for a mass walkout
[15:24] Suw: :) 
[15:24] jbond: lunchtime in 60 seconds
[15:24] cybaea: 580 models each running incompatible versions of Java
[15:24] plasticbag: BRAIN MELTING
[15:24] plasticbag: (Link: http://joi.typepad.com/photos/etech2004/photo_library_3255.jpg)http://joi.typepad.com/photos/etech2004/photo_library_3255.jpg
[15:24] plasticbag: (Link: http://joi.typepad.com/photos/etech2004/photo_library_3255.jpg)http://joi.typepad.com/photos/etech2004/photo_library_3255.jpg
[15:24] Earthman: Smartmob forming
[15:24] plasticbag: (Link: http://joi.typepad.com/photos/etech2004/photo_library_3255.jpg)http://joi.typepad.com/photos/etech2004/photo_library_3255.jpg
[15:24] plasticbag: all the same picture
[15:24] plasticbag: making a point
[15:24] joho: angry smartmob forming
[15:24] spaceboy: BORED
[15:24] holgate_: tickticktick
[15:24] migurski: jesus
[15:24] richardhod: give50 sweconds til walkout
[15:24] cybaea: Easy Tom
[15:24] Suw: lunch!!!! 
[15:24] DaveMc500hats: 30 seconds?
[15:24] BigD: i'm in.  shutting down
[15:24] lyza: Go go go!
[15:24] joho: the wisdom of bored, resentful crowds
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[15:24] cybaea: sQuitting
[15:24] KevinMarks: let me put the power cable away
[15:24] Ewan_: power disconnected...
[15:24] DaveMc500hats: 15 seconds
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[15:24] Suw: ha ha ha
[15:24] richardhod: 15 secs til walkout
[15:24] spaceboy: the rage of bored wise crowds
[15:24] joho: market to your mom on the edge
[15:24] DaveMc500hats: battery dying anyway
[15:24] lobo_: byee!
[15:24] joho: what do you sell to a mom on the edge
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[15:25] richardhod: 10 secs
[15:25] * Suw wants to see the mass walk out
[15:25] migurski: done like done
[15:25] holgate_: ABORT ABORT ABORT
[15:25] Ewan_: dont even get me started on preminet
[15:25] Suw: joho: a shove?
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[15:25] mamamusings: :D
[15:25] richardhod: 5 secs
[15:25] spaceboy: fuck off the edge
[15:25] plasticbag: ON THE EDGE
[15:25] joho: going over the edge
[15:25] plasticbag: HE'S REALLY EDGEY
[15:25] richardhod: ok, lunchQ! let's go
[15:25] jbond: go
[15:25] plasticbag: LIVING ON THE EDGE
[15:25] spaceboy: i'm over the edge
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[15:25] Earthman: To edgey for me
[15:25] holgate_: pump his edge.
[15:25] Ewan_: WHERES FUYCKING OPL
[15:25] KevinMarks: where we're going: to lunch
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[15:25] plasticbag: wow!
[15:25] Ewan_: 2% OF THE MARKET MUCH MORE THAN BLOODY P[YTHOIN
[15:25] plasticbag: he's so hip
[15:25] Earthman: Lunch is on the edge
[15:25] spaceboy: back away from the edge
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[15:25] Suw: edge cases yay
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[15:25] joho: very edgy talk
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[15:25] plasticbag: (Link: http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TjVX9jZgWtoJ:paulschreiber.com/nokiaslide.jpg)http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TjVX9jZgWtoJ:paulschreiber.com/nokiaslide.jpg
[15:25] lyza: I feel hipper from afar
[15:26] Suw: deeply edgey
[15:26] spaceboy: ikkle networks
[15:26] Suw: can you be deeply edgy? 
[15:26] spaceboy: ikkle edgy networks
[15:26] plasticbag: I think it's a food court day
[15:26] Suw: hedgey? 
[15:26] mamamusings: this one's better, tom: (Link: http://flickr.com/photos/joi/6186/)http://flickr.com/photos/joi/6186/
[15:26] ChrisDodo: i guess other people will win the phones then
[15:26] joho: anyone left in here?
[15:26] jrnoded: it;s better than the millitary  roombas from last year
[15:26] Suw: what has kevin done? 
[15:26] plasticbag: hoooray!
[15:26] Earthman: Edge fund
[15:26] spaceboy: military roombas on the edge
[15:26] Suw: did you drop me kevin?
[15:26] joho: I can't get my extension cord unplugged fast enough
[15:26] richardhod: mama pls log this channel!
[15:26] jseng: (Link: http://james.seng.sg/archives/2005/03/17/idn_parody_on_verisigncom.html)http://james.seng.sg/archives/2005/03/17/idn_parody_on_verisigncom.html
[15:26] spaceboy: filmed by almaldovar
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[15:26] plasticbag: kill me.
[15:27] joho: cell phones with edge detection
[15:27] spaceboy: edgephones
[15:27] jrnoded: there is no edge unless the world if flag
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[15:27] jrnoded: s/flag/flat
[15:27] marksimpkins: can i sue if i cut my finger on one of these edgy phones?
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[15:27] joho: most buzzwords in a single sentence! Yay!
[15:27] plasticbag: forget sidetalking - here comes EDGETALKING
[15:27] Jibbler: Is it just FireFox or is MSN adCenter not quite ready? (Link: http://www.jibble.org/news/?period=2005-03&id=1111004645)http://www.jibble.org/news/?period=2005-03&id=1111004645
[15:27] plasticbag: that was Cal
[15:27] spaceboy: edgetalking...your telling me lies
[15:27] nebby: we are going to end up on the ledge
[15:28] plasticbag: he put his computer away and wanted to be smart
[15:28] Suw: Ben Hmm in a skirt!! yes!! my life is complete!
[15:28] plasticbag: edgetalking!
[15:28] joho: the edge is so synced that it's sunk.
[15:28] spaceboy: oh fuck this i'm off the edge
[15:28] joho: edgesunk
[15:28] Earthman: Somebody SMS this guy
[15:28] marksimpkins: jump off the goddam edge
[15:28] plasticbag: sharp edges
[15:28] plasticbag: i've got a sharp edge for you mate
[15:28] Suw: has everyone left now? 
[15:28] plasticbag: > sigh <
[15:28] mamamusings: who exactly is it that's giving this talk??
[15:28] jrnoded: moslty.
[15:28] joho: i'm still here
[15:28] jrnoded: mostly
[15:28] Suw: joho: that's very brave of you
[15:28] joho: jon Bostrom
[15:29] Earthman: (Link: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2005/view/e_spkr/2074)http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2005/view/e_spkr/2074
[15:29] joho: Black shirt and jacket. Moustache and pony tail. Sunglasses on his head, I believe.
[15:29] marksimpkins: sod it, i need food
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[15:29] joho: Not brave. I can't retrieve my extension cord!
[15:29] mamamusings: "Jon Bostrom has over twenty-three years of systems experience, including designing and implementing large-scale, object-oriented, distributed applications. "
[15:29] mamamusings: sounds exciting :/
[15:29] jrnoded: sod it I need the bathroom.
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[15:29] Suw: ooh i've lost kevin
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[15:30] plasticbag: right. that's it.
[15:30] plasticbag: I'm outy.
[15:30] Suw: joho: ooo no! 
[15:30] wseltzer: the "power ghetto" (Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wseltzer/6680205/)http://www.flickr.com/photos/wseltzer/6680205/
[15:30] joho: Bright light ... Sound receding... Must go to the light ...
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[15:30] mamamusings: wseltzer, how many women can you see from where you are?
[15:30] joho: deliver value on a device via middleware services..;.my dream!
[15:30] mamamusings: just curious...
[15:31] Suw: joho: go towards the power supply instead
[15:31] Suw: use your elbows! that's what they wer invented for
[15:31] joho: done. unplugged.
[15:31] wseltzer: mamamusings: a fair number, actually
[15:31] joho: bye bye.
[15:31] Earthman: Powerstrips at the edge
[15:31] * Suw gives joho a round of applause
[15:31] wseltzer: far more than at the car hacks tutorial...
[15:31] mamamusings: ha
[15:31] Earthman: NASCAR is sponsoring ETech next year, I heard
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[15:33] Earthman: How can you be in middleware and on the edge?
[15:33] Suw: ha ha ha
[15:33] Earthman: Gum??
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[15:34] Earthman: What a cheap stunt
[15:34] Earthman: What, no phone?
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[15:34] wseltzer: indeed! I'd check for a phone...
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[15:35] Earthman: OK, lunch calls.  See y'all soon.
[15:35] Suw: t'ra
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[15:43] jibot: TrevorFSmith is available in digital form at (Link: http://trevor.smith.name/)http://trevor.smith.name/ and a photo mapping fool and not magical
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[15:44] jibot: KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at (Link: http://epeus.blogspot.com)http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at (Link: http://mediagora.com)http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & PST (UTC-8) & working at Technorati & wrote a python based irc client of DOOM
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[16:28] jibot: tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department
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[16:34] ryanco: everyone digging the music in joel's preso?
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[16:36] marksimpkins: gavin, which room you in?
[16:36] sexygirl153: it's god awful
[16:37] ryanco: sabotage ideas?
[16:38] plasticbag: this music is so horrible
[16:38] plasticbag: I'm ramming a power plug into my ear but I can't get it to stop
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[16:38] zzgavin: marksimpkins spolsky
[16:38] ryanco: no one's up at the podium
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[16:38] plasticbag: plinky pootle plinky plinky plinky pootle plinky plinky plinky pootle plinky plinky plinky pootle plinky plinky 
[16:38] plasticbag: plinky pootle plinky plinky plinky pootle plinky plinky plinky pootle plinky plinky plinky pootle plinky plinky  poot poot doodle doodle
[16:39] sexygirl153: PLEASE GOD MAKE IT STOP
[16:39] plasticbag: doot doot doot do diddly diddly
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[16:39] jibot: cybaea is is a nice guy but you don't care: you just want to know that he blogs (sometimes) at (Link: http://www.cybaea.net/Journal/)http://www.cybaea.net/Journal/
[16:39] ryanco: can someone remix this peruvian dreck?
[16:39] plasticbag: plinky pootle plinky plinky plinky pootle plinky plinky plinky pootle plinky plinky plinky pootle plinky plinky  poot poot doodle doodle
[16:39] plasticbag: doot doot doot do diddly diddly
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[16:40] noidfish: MAKE IT STOP
[16:40] plasticbag: I'm starting to like it now
[16:40] plasticbag: It's like it's reprogramming me
[16:40] plasticbag: I wouldn't put it past him
[16:41] plasticbag: he's a clever bugger
[16:41] zzgavin: the bright flashing lights start soon
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[16:41] ryanco: Building Communities w/Software: Step #1 buy peruvian CD to code by
[16:41] plasticbag: It occurs to me
[16:41] plasticbag: that this is designed to disorient us so we can't chat on IRC
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[16:44] jibot: todbot is not a bot and Tod E. Kurt, living at (Link: http://todbot.com/)http://todbot.com/ and Pasadena CA. He works at Overture (nee Goto.com, now Yahoo) but is really an robotics geek
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[16:45] * crysflame stares at plasticbag
[16:45] crysflame: plinky pootle?
[16:45] crysflame: take a recording
[16:45] plasticbag: it's hellish
[16:45] crysflame: is it linked to the crowd somehow?
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[16:45] plasticbag: in the sense that we can't get it out of our heads
[16:45] ryanco: there's a guy in front w/an iSight ... get a stream up
[16:45] crysflame: heh
[16:45] crysflame: brilliant
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[16:45] crysflame: i want a copy of it
[16:45] jbond: Is anyone taking notes in the spolsky session?
[16:46] crysflame: combined with subliminals threaded through the undertones, you can do nifty things to people
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[16:46] jibot: Ewan_ is the guy sitting next to me & Scottish, & has a tame(ish) Crow. & definitely scottish & blogs at (Link: http://ewan.symbiandiaries.com/)http://ewan.symbiandiaries.com/ & is now back & living in Edinburgh
[16:46] jbond: I'll trade you for notes on Clay
[16:46] crysflame: i have a ben hammersley first edition card, still in tinfoil
[16:46] ryanco:  thank you!
[16:46] plasticbag: Oh thank god it's gone!
[16:46] plasticbag: IT'S OVER
[16:46] crysflame: now you miss it
[16:46] Mutiny: i've got a signed roger dingledine card with the hologram!
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[16:46] ryanco: I starting to miss it ...
[16:46] * crysflame grins
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[16:46] crysflame: so, what was up with the music?
[16:47] ryanco: new topic: peruvian music
[16:47] jbond: That was actually a serious request and not an excse to start riffing. :-P
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[16:47] DaveMc500hats: Zamfir does Oreilly!
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[16:47] jbond: whatever, nevermind,
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[16:47] Mutiny: you don't need an excuse to riff :P
[16:48] crysflame: jbond: is it on the blogs somewwhere already?
[16:48] crysflame: or the etech wiki
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[16:48] jbond: I'm in Clay Shirky talking about ontologies. But I ought to be listening to how to program social software
[16:48] sexygirl153: he's AWESOME
[16:48] Earthman: I'm in the other one
[16:49] jbond: the other opjne?
[16:49] Earthman: Big pix of Brad and Jennifer
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[16:49] DaveMc500hats: hardPitted
[16:49] Earthman: Building Communities with Software
[16:49] plasticbag: (Link: http://www.openp2p.com/pub/wlg/6701)http://www.openp2p.com/pub/wlg/6701
[16:49] plasticbag: woot
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[16:49] DaveMc500hats: how do you spell the other guy's name?  (semi-serious)
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[16:50] DaveMc500hats: thanks Joel :)
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[16:50] jibot: AndyBaio is Andy Baio, web programmer living/working in Santa Monica, CA and can be found at (Link: http://waxy.org)http://waxy.org or working on his new project, (Link: http://upcoming.org)http://upcoming.org
[16:51] ryanco: bluechip: Joel Spolsky ... off Brand: ??
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[16:52] sexygirl153: i've made an addition:
[16:52] sexygirl153: (Link: http://www.rubyonrael.com/)http://www.rubyonrael.com/
[16:52] rossm: oh no, you didn't
[16:52] Earthman: Sweet home San Diego
[16:52] DaveMc500hats: that's 'oh no you *dint*'
[16:52] ryanco: joel is getting his groove on
[16:52] sexygirl153: yeah
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[16:53] lyza: Joelman cracks me up
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[16:53] cybaea: lyza: What's he saying?
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[16:53] sexygirl153: mainly things about brad pitt
[16:53] Earthman: Why Sweet Home Alabama trumps Brandy
[16:53] lyza: cybaea: He's promoting the concept of off-brand people
[16:53] lyza: and making fun of Herman Miller furniture
[16:53] plasticbag: He's ace
[16:53] plasticbag: I love him
[16:53] plasticbag: why did he torture us with the skanky music?!
[16:54] Earthman: Zhunsaykwah
[16:54] plasticbag: at the beginning?!
[16:54] sexygirl153: he's really really good
[16:54] lyza: To make us understand!
[16:54] alice: creative zen rocks.
[16:54] sexygirl153: pah!
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[16:54] sexygirl153: does the zen have a FRIKKIN LASER?
[16:54] plasticbag: :D
[16:54] Earthman: Hey, I need  proprietary DRM!
[16:55] holgate: (Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/lookaroundyou/series1/periodic.shtml)http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/lookaroundyou/series1/periodic.shtml
[16:55] alice: yes. quitee.
[16:55] DaveMc500hats: i think the shark in his pocket has a laser beam
[16:55] lyza: Please me me happy.
[16:55] lyza: Please MAKE me happy.
[16:55] Earthman: lyza: you're free to Flickr, doesn't that make you happy :-)
[16:56] lyza: Whoo hoo!!!
[16:56] sexygirl153: i think he's mocking me
[16:56] lyza: I owe you a drink or other sundry gift.
[16:56] lyza: Of course that would mean figuring out who you are.
[16:56] Earthman: Send out good thoughts
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[16:56] jibot: joho is blogging at (Link: http://hyperorg.com/blogger/)http://hyperorg.com/blogger/ & journal of the hyperlinked organization & David Weinberger & always confused & often miscellaneous
[16:56] DaveMc500hats: that's powerpoinG, dammit
[16:56] Suw: hey David :)
[16:57] Suw: nice to sort of meet you :)
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[16:57] jibot: jrnoded is jr at (Link: http://www.noded.com/noded)http://www.noded.com/noded
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[16:57] jibot: ChrisDodo is also known as anti-mega and sometimes even Chris Heathcote and in Helsinki, Finland and is in San Diego already
[16:57] ryanco: he is good
[16:58] DaveMc500hats: (suw: moi, or weinb?)
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[16:58] jibot: KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at (Link: http://epeus.blogspot.com)http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at (Link: http://mediagora.com)http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & PST (UTC-8) & working at Technorati & wrote a python based irc client of DOOM
[16:58] Suw: DaveMc500hats: weinb, unless you came over to say hallo on the webcam too :)
[16:58] DaveMc500hats: well, halloo anyway... ;)
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[16:59] jibot: wseltzer is Wendy Seltzer and works for the EFF and blogs at (Link: http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/)http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/
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[16:59] jibot: miker is not a government bot sent to incriminate us and Mike Rowehl and a hacker and blogs at (Link: http://www.bitsplitter.net/blog/)http://www.bitsplitter.net/blog/
[17:00] ChrisDodo: oh, series 60 python now has camera access.... cool
[17:00] plasticbag: He's brilliant. I love him
[17:00] sexygirl153: he's *SO* good
[17:00] plasticbag: Wendy Seltzer's paper was bad.
[17:00] KevinMarks: hello again
[17:00] plasticbag: She seems fun.
[17:00] alice: joel should give up software and go into standup.
[17:01] plasticbag: Totally. He rocks.
[17:01] DaveMc500hats: SHEER genyus
[17:01] plasticbag: I love him.
[17:01] KevinMarks: Joel?
[17:01] plasticbag: yes
[17:01] ryanco: he is playing the disheveled new yorker card but he's really insanely brilliant ... good forumula
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[17:02] holgate: he's just in from the Catskills?
[17:02] mattb: yay for access to absolutely everything on the phone from python
[17:02] Suw: aah, ,and i join vidchat again just in time for a big laugh
[17:02] mattb: finally make it interesting to build apps on the phone
[17:02] holgate: someone had better be podcasting joel.
[17:02] Suw: but without hearing what they were laughing at
[17:02] Suw: :-/
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[17:02] lyza: heya Berserk 
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[17:03] Berserk: hey
[17:03] michaelh1lton: is there a podcast for joel?
[17:03] KevinMarks: laughing at Joel's slides
[17:03] Suw: aah
[17:03] lyza: God, Do I Hate that Bitch
[17:03] KevinMarks: you need the slides to get the gags,as he is showing parody Windows dialog boxes
[17:03] Suw: aha
[17:03] plasticbag: he's awesome
[17:03] plasticbag: > swoon <
[17:03] holgate: you wuv him, plasticbag.
[17:03] Suw: and there's someone sitting inbetween me and the slides. oh well. 
[17:04] AndyBaio: Joel's talk is brilliant
[17:04] AndyBaio: I'm dying
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[17:04] plasticbag: there are a lot of good-looking guys in his slides
[17:04] Suw: thanks KM. still can't really see th em though so don't owrry about it. 
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[17:05] DaveMc500hats: Tandem Writing Assignment -- a Classic: (Link: http://www.ehumorcentral.com/Directory/Jokes/1049.html)http://www.ehumorcentral.com/Directory/Jokes/1049.html
[17:05] alice: heh he bought a creative zen
[17:05] KevinMarks: did he choose it for the shape?
[17:05] wseltzer: plasticbag: just catching up -- what was bad?
[17:06] sexygirl153: :)
[17:06] KevinMarks: the slide says Ouch
[17:06] lyza: haha Monty Python reference
[17:06] joho: clay is being brilliant. what a surprise.
[17:06] KevinMarks: stole the majestic moose joke
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[17:06] AndyBaio: Yeah, but is he funny?
[17:06] AndyBaio: :)
[17:06] KevinMarks: well, I'll read it in your blog david
[17:07] plasticbag: our guy is better than yours
[17:07] jrnoded: joho: i'm thinking so too
[17:07] holgate: our guy has a shinier head.
[17:07] alice: joel also has awesome powerpoint skillz
[17:07] holgate: he worked for msft. that's cheating.
[17:07] plasticbag: ah - a great implementation of scrumjax theer
[17:07] Earthman: Our guy has a slicker clicker
[17:07] sexygirl153: SCRUMJAX!!!!!!1111oneone
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[17:08] DaveMc500hats: dunno there, i think Julia Roberts is cresting...
[17:08] sexygirl153: :)
[17:08] lyza: Her mouth is big. Like a horse.
[17:09] plasticbag: she's a million years old
[17:09] plasticbag: she's a reanimated corpse
[17:09] plasticbag: sorry Julia, if you're in here
[17:09] plasticbag: but it' strue
[17:09] lyza: neiiiigh
[17:09] todbot: clay likes buffy
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[17:09] plasticbag: no! now I feel like I'm betraying one of my clan
[17:09] ryanco: (Link: http://www.amibluechipornot.com)http://www.amibluechipornot.com
[17:10] sexygirl153: hehe
[17:10] lyza: Did he just make a joke about running over your baby in an SUV?
[17:10] sexygirl153: yeah
[17:10] lyza: cool
[17:10] ChrisL_AK: in sillhouette in front ofscreen clay's head looks way cooler
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[17:11] plasticbag: What's clay on about?
[17:11] plasticbag: Is it good?
[17:11] plasticbag: Should I be lisstening?
[17:11] plasticbag: Why oh why oh why do they suddenly put towo good papers on against each other
[17:11] plasticbag: when I've been parched for brain juice all day
[17:11] sexygirl153: and shit all morning
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[17:11] dviner: should be a voting process to schedule talks.
[17:11] cybaea: plasticbag: it is a conspiracy.
[17:11] plasticbag: dammit
[17:11] mattb: the everyone-together-all-morning thing sucks
[17:11] DaveMc500hats: how about a voting process to reduce speaking tiem?
[17:11] dviner: that would help keep competing talks from overrunning each other
[17:11] DaveMc500hats: tie
[17:11] sexygirl153: yes
[17:12] cybaea: Clay is good.  We are on Voodoo categorization now
[17:12] mattb: need diversity
[17:12] lyza: I was definitely thinking we should play with crowd dynamics by making you drop a marble into a jar when you choose a session. Jar with most marbles wins! All others cancelled!
[17:12] ChrisL_AK: I know-- this was the one session all conference that was actually a tough choice
[17:12] plasticbag: aw.... dammit.
[17:12] jrnoded: I like the morning format. No choices be a drone
[17:12] NelsonMinar: lyza - two men enter, one man leaves
[17:12] lyza: right. 
[17:12] DaveMc500hats: next session Jeremy Z (Yahoo) vs Jason Fried (37 signals) also tough choice
[17:12] ryanco: true dat
[17:13] lyza: But 37 Signals is so much more edgy and hip!
[17:13] sexygirl153: nah - it's dull
[17:13] alice: or - it's undisclosed vs project management
[17:13] alice: from the descriptions
[17:13] ChrisL_AK: true, but I refuse to give into the siren call of ruby
[17:13] NelsonMinar: I think I know which of those two talks I'm obligated to go to :-)
[17:13] ChrisDodo: crazy, pyOpen GL running on series 60 phones!
[17:13] lyza: Ruby threatens to distract me.
[17:13] DaveMc500hats: Jeremy is retro cool though... come on with a name like Zawodny how can u not be cool?
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[17:14] cybaea: Clay has not heard of Leningrad
[17:14] jrnoded: Its easy for a country to evaporate
[17:14] dviner: lol
[17:14] NelsonMinar: budapest used to be two cities
[17:14] NelsonMinar: boston still is 30 cities
[17:14] cybaea: aka St Petersburg
[17:14] BigD: anyone have that "ruby on rael" picture link?
[17:15] zzgavin: italy is still 60 countries
[17:15] plasticbag: (Link: http://www.rubyonrael.com)http://www.rubyonrael.com
[17:15] dviner: but, title of the city is not the same as the city itself.
[17:15] sexygirl153: now with two pictures :)
[17:15] BigD: that's friggin scary
[17:15] lyza: hahahha
[17:15] BigD: thanks!
[17:15] tengi: cybaea: lenningrad was just an alias for a while
[17:15] plasticbag: miaow
[17:15] lyza: "The iPod comes in several comforting colors, the Creative Zen comes in ugly."
[17:15] Earthman: The Creative comes in ugly  LOL
[17:16] beepbeep_: heh
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[17:16] lyza: Dude, I'm still laughing. How embarassing.
[17:16] lyza: I'm not sure I agree that the iPod is not functionally good.
[17:17] lyza: (then again, my battery still works)
[17:18] plasticbag: Are there any transcriptions of Clay's stuff?
[17:18] dviner: i hope so
[17:18] BigD: me too
[17:18] dviner: looks like there's a video camera in the front row
[17:18] NelsonMinar: long tail!
[17:18] NelsonMinar: ding ding ding!
[17:18] BigD: i'm being entertained with joel, but i'm worrying that i'm missing substance over there
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[17:19] holgate: a lot of it is from his corante posts of late.
[17:19] Earthman: Joel hasn't mentioned Long Tail yet
[17:19] NelsonMinar: clay's showing data about delicious users use of tags
[17:19] sexygirl153: joel is 98% substance!
[17:19] plasticbag: drooool
[17:19] marksimpkins: its the power curve graph..
[17:19] plasticbag: Want to see Clay's stuff
[17:19] plasticbag: very cross
[17:19] holgate: I want to know what he thinks about the Yahoo Buzz Game's categorisation methodology.
[17:19] BigD: jeez, put a geek in a suit and he's a god?
[17:19] BigD: ;-)
[17:19] Earthman: Power curve -- we just ate!
[17:19] holgate: I think you're the guy with 500+ tags, plasticbag.
[17:20] plasticbag: is he being mean about me
[17:20] plasticbag: I like tags
[17:20] plasticbag: who's clapping
[17:20] cybaea: lol
[17:20] plasticbag: are they laughing at me?>
[17:20] plasticbag: I hate everyone
[17:20] holgate: nonono.
[17:20] NelsonMinar: you wish we were laughing at you
[17:20] holgate: Cataloguers say these things are context-dependent.
[17:20] * BigD laughs at the bag of plastic.
[17:20] holgate: Well, so was East Germany.
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[17:20] jibot: Ewan_ is the guy sitting next to me & Scottish, & has a tame(ish) Crow. & definitely scottish & blogs at (Link: http://ewan.symbiandiaries.com/)http://ewan.symbiandiaries.com/ & is now back & living in Edinburgh
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[17:21] holgate: wrt/ Stewart saying that countries are pretty immutable in terms of categorisation.
[17:21] todbot: kenya believe it
[17:21] NelsonMinar: holgate - guess you had to be there :-)
[17:21] Suw: ewan! sean! 
[17:21] seanbonner: Suw!
[17:21] sexygirl153: kenya!
[17:21] holgate: the DSM4 model is interesting, because it's all about forced hierarchies. As in, real, physical straitjackets.
[17:21] KevinMarks: chart online?
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[17:22] Earthman: Whoa Joel!
[17:22] DaveMc500hats: "pour piss out of a boot"
[17:22] Ewan_: Hey Suw
[17:22] sexygirl153: hahahahahahahaha
[17:22] DaveMc500hats: wow
[17:22] Ewan_: Back (now in Python talk)
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[17:23] jibot: SebPaquet is Sébastien Paquet & blogging at (Link: http://corante.com/many)http://corante.com/many & blogging at (Link: http://seb.notlong.com)http://seb.notlong.com & blogging in French at (Link: http://seb.blogsome.com)http://seb.blogsome.com & musiclogging at (Link: http://webjay.org/by/seb/sebspicks)http://webjay.org/by/seb/sebspicks
[17:23] plasticbag: "Keanu Reeves is so stupid he couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel"
[17:23] Earthman: Well, if the girls can trash Julia, I guess Joel can trash Keanu
[17:23] Suw: you leave keanu alone! 
[17:23] zzgavin: Ewan is it good
[17:23] DaveMc500hats: that quote was worth the price of admission
[17:23] Suw: :-p
[17:23] Ewan_: S'okay, I have a vested interest :-)
[17:24] BigD: why is the video here so ass?
[17:24] plasticbag: dunno
[17:24] plasticbag: it really is though
[17:24] Suw: oh pooh. there goes vidchat again
[17:24] Suw: not as bad as video here
[17:25] KevinMarks: whats new in pythonphones, ewan?
[17:25] nebby: 'those who do not understand unix are doomed to reinvent it' - clay
[17:25] Ewan_: Python runtime 1.0 for Series 60. Roughly same place OPL is at on UIQ and S80.
[17:25] Ewan_: Erik and I hit the same problems at differnet times!
[17:27] knauer: bring it home joel
[17:27] Earthman: Tell em what you told em
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[17:28] jibot: _joshua is a french fry
[17:28] _joshua: heh, is anyone here actually AT etech?
[17:28] * Ewan_ is here
[17:28] * KevinMarks raises hand
[17:28] * nebby is here
[17:28] * Earthman is here
[17:28] * jrnoded is here
[17:28] miker: I'm here
[17:28] todbot: is here as well
[17:28] seanbonner: mememe
[17:28] Ewan_: Crow is here too
[17:29] cybaea: "Does the world make sense, or do we make sense of the world?"
[17:29] * BigD lives here.
[17:29] ChrisDodo: they're all lying
[17:29] * plasticbag is here
[17:29] AndyBaio: I am, woo!
[17:29] seanbonner: Crow is NOT here.
[17:29] * lyza is here
[17:29] * sexygirl153 is here
[17:29] jemstone: is here
[17:29] * zzgavin is being amused byv Joel
[17:29] * mattb is here
[17:29] AndyBaio: There's no here here
[17:29] Ewan_: Crow is with me, but he's here.
[17:29] * cybaea is here with Clay
[17:29] boardyb: i'm still deciding
[17:29] _joshua: figures
[17:29] * Suw is there
[17:29] NelsonMinar: clay kicks ass
[17:29] _joshua: anyone see any good sessions?
[17:29] seanbonner: heresonomy
[17:29] nebby: does the world make here, or do we make here of the world?
[17:29] Suw: sort of
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[17:30] KevinMarks: Tom's was good
[17:30] Suw: hereticsonomy? 
[17:30] plasticbag: I want to know what CLay was talking about now
[17:30] plasticbag: all desperate
[17:30] plasticbag: > gagging <
[17:30] seanbonner: if here didn't exist, mankind would find it necessissary to create here
[17:30] plasticbag: > throbbing <
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[17:30] plasticbag: > hot <
[17:30] KevinMarks: fauxonomy
[17:30] plasticbag: woof!
[17:30] boardyb: stop!
[17:30] ChrisL_AK: best presentation ever. Nothing will ever top it. We are in tears in here. Nerdvana
[17:30] todbot: herdsonomy
[17:30] NelsonMinar: I lost 15 pounds!
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[17:30] DaveMc500hats: Standing O!
[17:30] ChrisL_AK: sorry for you and that music
[17:31] NelsonMinar: I don't know, Joel's pretty big on the applausometer too
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[17:31] ryanco: learn from the master
[17:31] lyza: whoo hoo!
[17:31] knauer: joel got the loudest applause, he must have won
[17:31] plasticbag: THAT ROCKED!
[17:31] sexygirl153: BEST EVER
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[17:31] lyza: (cheering)
[17:31] Earthman: YAY~
[17:31] sexygirl153: SO FUCKING GOOD
[17:31] ryanco: i feel misattributed
[17:31] seanbonner: no one is getting applause here in the lobby
[17:31] noidfish: best. speech. EVER
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[17:31] lyza: Whatever I do next will suck now
[17:31] plasticbag: Ah well. There's no way we can follow that
[17:31] zzgavin: lovely
[17:31] lyza: Even ice cream would suck after that
[17:31] zzgavin: glad we are not following that
[17:32] alice: anyone know where the basecamp one is now?
[17:32] michaelh1lton: joel was awesome!!
[17:32] plasticbag: Joel Rocks!
[17:32] marksimpkins: clay talk v. good but i only have partial notes
[17:32] zzgavin: alice in the same room as joel
[17:32] alice: ta
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[17:32] seanbonner: whats the next thing to see?
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[17:33] Suw: i think bed, for me
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[17:33] Earthman: Jeremy better have some good jokes about MySQL replication
[17:33] marksimpkins: Gavin, where are you now?
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[17:34] marksimpkins: where you at Joel or clay?
[17:35] cybaea: Bye Suw.  Sleep well
[17:35] _adam_gfx: ite Suw
[17:35] Suw: :) 
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[17:35] Suw: i shall be off i na tick - not quite just exaclty yet
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[17:35] plasticbag: I NEED CLAY NOTES
[17:36] cybaea: Tom: I'm sure he'll put them on the web
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[17:37] plasticbag: dammit, I can't wait that long
[17:37] marksimpkins: Tom: i just shared my SubEtha notes from Clays talk
[17:37] plasticbag: and on the week when I was going to retire from the police force...
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[17:37] marksimpkins: some bits, not all though :(
[17:37] alice: where's this ruby on rael stuff then
[17:37] plasticbag: it's not showing up on my rendezvous
[17:37] plasticbag: (Link: http://www.rubyonrael.com)http://www.rubyonrael.com
[17:37] plasticbag: could you e-mail me a copy to tom@plasticbag.org ?
[17:37] Ewan_: Night night suw
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[17:37] jibot: TrevorFSmith is available in digital form at (Link: http://trevor.smith.name/)http://trevor.smith.name/ and a photo mapping fool and not magical
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[17:38] marksimpkins: yep
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[17:38] cybaea: Bye Suw - you are just leaving the room
[17:38] Suw: ha ha ha
[17:38] Suw: *waves*
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[17:38] Suw: i am not sure how long i will hang around. depends on what happens next. 
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[17:39] jibot: RussB is Russell Beattie who blogs at (Link: http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/)http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/
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[17:39] Suw: the weird thing is that i can hear fragments of sentences but never quite enough to make real sense of the presentation. but yet, it is nice to have the presence even though i'm not learning anything. 
[17:39] cybaea: Jason is talking about dieting
[17:40] Suw: KevinMarks: which session is this now?
[17:40] * Earthman is in Jeremy's talk
[17:40] migurski: dieting & thermodynamics
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[17:40] dviner: how many people in jeremy's talk ?
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[17:40] BigD: is that B or C?
[17:40] NelsonMinar: dviner - about 50, 75? room is 1/3 full
[17:41] plasticbag: I'm in the basecamp one
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[17:41] Earthman: About 2/3 full
[17:41] marksimpkins: Tom, sent
[17:41] Earthman: B
[17:41] Earthman: Plaza B, not Ballroom B
[17:41] seanbonner: OK, I'm coming upstairs, which is the place to be?
[17:41] seanbonner: B?
[17:41] Suw: i can't hear jeremy very well. :-/
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[17:41] paulm: what's basecamp about?
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[17:42] BigD: the speaker in B might know how to use a microphone
[17:42] nebby: collaborative workspace
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[17:42] KevinMarks: project planning
[17:42] migurski: basecamp: ruby on raels
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[17:42] ChrisL_AK: where's a sound guy when you need him?
[17:42] nebby: "Groove"-y
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[17:42] _adam_gfx: "Groove without a chance."
[17:42] Suw: basecamp is pretty good
[17:42] Suw: i like it
[17:42] _adam_gfx: haha
[17:42] seanbonner: AAAGGHH! Where should I go?
[17:42] sexygirl153: meh
[17:42] _adam_gfx: Hula wanna be
[17:43] KevinMarks: go get me a coffee, sean
[17:43] _adam_gfx: sit on the couch sean
[17:43] seanbonner: which room are you in?
[17:43] Suw: how's the headache km?
[17:43] Suw: jeremy's 
[17:43] seanbonner: I'll go get us both coffee
[17:43] ChrisL_AK: did someone force Matt H to do this presentation or something?
[17:43] seanbonner: what do you want?
[17:43] * Earthman outbids KM for the coffee
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[17:43] jibot: todbot is not a bot and Tod E. Kurt, living at (Link: http://todbot.com/)http://todbot.com/ and Pasadena CA. He works at Overture (nee Goto.com, now Yahoo) but is really an robotics geek
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[17:44] KevinMarks: Doulble latte
[17:44] KevinMarks: you star
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[17:44] BigD: i could use a drinking chocolate
[17:44] Suw: get him some asperin too, Sean
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[17:45] seanbonner: OK, see you in Plaza room B in a few minutes
[17:45] cybaea: B: “Constraints is where creativity happens.”
[17:45] NelsonMinar: holy utf-8 batman!
[17:45] ChrisL_AK: is the Zawodney room full?
[17:46] todbot: wüt!
[17:46] NelsonMinar: no, plenty of room with zawodny
[17:46] DaveMc500hats: i like to think of the room as half full
[17:46] nebby:  wait:  i went to a whole lotta project post-mortems at <faceless web agency> back in the delusional days..  is this basecamp talk going there?
[17:47] Earthman: Unfortunately, the power outlets are all full
[17:47] sexygirl153: yawn
[17:47] KevinMarks: post partum, surely
[17:47] DaveMc500hats: yeah, that blows
[17:47] DaveMc500hats: note to Oreilly: more power outlets
[17:48] NelsonMinar: need wireless power
[17:48] KevinMarks: bring whisky, lawyers and long power cords
[17:48] nebby: ambient power!
[17:48] holgate: basecamp-
[17:48] DaveMc500hats: i'd invest in that 
[17:48] alice: hey at least they bothered. gdc had no power or wifi in session rooms.
[17:48] Earthman: KM++
[17:48] holgate: too much bizdev, not enough design issues.
[17:48] dviner: more wifi would be good.
[17:48] nebby: alice was always lurking in the powered nooks and crannies in Moscone West at GDC
[17:49] spaceboy: not enough jokes
[17:49] spaceboy: or any
[17:49] holgate: or kittens.
[17:49] DaveMc500hats: spolsky is hard to follow
[17:49] holgate: this is business conference talk.
[17:49] spaceboy: no kittens at all
[17:49] todbot: every time someone mentions 'folksonomy' god kills a kitten
[17:49] BigD: ok, this is the energy guy, right?
[17:49] spaceboy: lets tag him!
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[17:49] NelsonMinar: a kitten with a long tail
[17:49] holgate: god recategorises a kitten from 'alive' to 'dead'.
[17:49] DaveMc500hats: ouch
[17:49] Suw: so is anyone SubEthaEditing w. Rendezvous? 
[17:49] Earthman: tag him and bag him
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[17:49] KevinMarks: a squirrel with a long tail
[17:50] nebby: rendezvous is crapping out
[17:50] nebby: too many users
[17:50] TrevorFSmith: Suw: not so much this year, sadly
[17:50] holgate: yah. no subethaediting.
[17:50] spaceboy: squirrel with a long tail just a rat with good pr
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[17:50] DaveMc500hats: Q: has "long tail" jumped the shark?
[17:50] Suw: that's a shame :(
[17:50] NelsonMinar: see my blog, dae
[17:50] NelsonMinar: dave
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[17:50] spaceboy: kittens jump sharks?
[17:50] DaveMc500hats: sharks with FRIKKIN LASER beams
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[17:51] Suw: sharkies!! 
[17:51] spaceboy: kittens with laser beams
[17:51] todbot: friggin' laser beams
[17:51] Earthman: Kitten needs to have Java and be on the edge
[17:51] nebby: emerging in swarms from basecamp
[17:51] DaveMc500hats: friggin vs frikken?
[17:52] cybaea: (Link: http://www.tadalist.com/)http://www.tadalist.com/ - down?
[17:52] spaceboy: but it's the ipod of project management!
[17:53] migurski: but it's on rails!
[17:53] dviner: why do clay shirkey's rss links not work as firefox live bookmarks ?
[17:53] spaceboy: or was that the jennifer aniston
[17:53] nebby: (jason) fix server <- tadalist entry
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[17:54] ryanco: (Link: http://www.tadalist.com/)http://www.tadalist.com/
[17:54] sexygirl153: jason can SUCK MY ASS
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[17:54] ryanco: "We're sorry, but something went wrong"
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[17:55] jibot: jrnoded is jr at (Link: http://www.noded.com/noded)http://www.noded.com/noded
[17:55] Earthman: Ooo, guess I lost my Tada todo lists
[17:55] DaveMc500hats: from Yahoo Web Services TOS...
[17:55] nebby: the product will tell you when you need to add something, see?
[17:55] DaveMc500hats: YOU SHALL NOT use the Yahoo! APIs to operate nuclear facilities, life support, or other mission critical application where human life or property may be at stake
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[17:56] Earthman: Damn, there goes my business plan
[17:56] DaveMc500hats: so don't blow any shit up using Yahoo web services, or we'll sue the crap outta you
[17:56] NelsonMinar: I think it's the other way around
[17:56] NelsonMinar: "if you blow something up with Yahoo web services, it's not our fault"
[17:56] NelsonMinar: no blaming Chernobyl on yahoo!
[17:56] dviner: *whew*
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[17:57] jibot: cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com.
[17:57] NelsonMinar: a surprising amount of software and services are not allowed to be used with airplanes
[17:57] Suw: ok, i'm actually off this time. t'ra guys
[17:57] ChrisL_AK: sorry, grandma, yahoo made me pull the plug
[17:57] Suw: have a good rest of your day :)
[17:57] DaveMc500hats: that's very reassuring
[17:57] cybaea: Night Suw
[17:57] jrnoded: gnight suw
[17:58] Suw: night cybaea :)
[17:58] Suw: night jrnoded :)
[17:58] todbot: small grandparents loosly coupled to life support
[17:58] DaveMc500hats: now i don't have to fire all the Russian Nuclear weapons engineers in my startup
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[17:58] cybaea: Why does he keep asking for comments?
[17:58] spaceboy: cos we've gone to sleep
[17:58] sexygirl153: he doesn't have enough to say maybe
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[17:59] lyza: Okay: Session vs. Session: who is better and who sucks tihs time?
[17:59] cybaea: sg could be in to something
[17:59] cybaea: I can't hear the question
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[17:59] Earthman: SOAP--
[17:59] marksimpkins: nutch oh hazel nutch
[17:59] dviner: nutch to replace google ?
[17:59] ChrisL_AK: nutch me when its over
[17:59] KevinMarks: Zawodny is interesting, but is describing the decisiosn around the service, so may be less interestin if you don't offer your own services
[18:00] nebby:  friedster is maybe not so captivating
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[18:00] ChrisL_AK: I'm sure the two presenters here COULD be less enthusiastic. Theoretically
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[18:00] DaveMc500hats: Zawodny: SOAP vs REST 
[18:00] migurski: session v session: jason is being _super preachy_, not necessarily bad, depending on your background
[18:00] marksimpkins: nutch CC search engine
[18:00] cybaea: B: “If you ever made a decision you can’t change, then you probably made a wrong decision.”
[18:00] ryanco: who's talking about nutch?
[18:00] DaveMc500hats: they went REST (for now) to lower support hassle
[18:01] DaveMc500hats: Nelson -- rebuttal?
[18:01] ChrisL_AK: the Creative Commons session won't stop talking about nutch
[18:01] MattJones: the whig version of emerging tech history
[18:01] NelsonMinar: I already had my say, Dave :-)
[18:01] sexygirl153: i missed the part where we couldn;t chnage the system :/
[18:01] TrevorFSmith: ChrisL_AK: it could be a little more... lively.
[18:01] dviner: nutch being discussed in ballroom c
[18:01] marksimpkins: just a tad
[18:02] DaveMc500hats: Stewart sez offer multiple access methods... so who's right?
[18:02] ChrisL_AK: talk about needing life support...
[18:02] ryanco: yahoo has funded some work on that no?
[18:02] DaveMc500hats: Jeremy sez Yahoo might do SOAP later, but not right now
[18:02] TrevorFSmith: So, CC is now attempting to build a google size index?
[18:03] marksimpkins: nope, they want Google/Yahoo to index the CC content
[18:03] TrevorFSmith: marksimpkins: then why are they using Nutch?
[18:03] marksimpkins: but until then....
[18:03] mattb: "it's ok to do good things if they are good"
[18:03] sexygirl153: apparently there's no silver bullet
[18:03] mattb: sound advice here in B
[18:03] sexygirl153: that's just so retarded though
[18:03] ChrisL_AK: to whet the appetite until the big boys and girls step in
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[18:03] sexygirl153: his advice makes no sense
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[18:04] noidfish: handbags at dawn sexygirl153 
[18:04] sexygirl153: try anything, onlt try good things, etc etc
[18:04] migurski: heh
[18:04] spaceboy: fightfightfight
[18:04] MattJones: UI FIRST
[18:04] marksimpkins: actually i don't know what they want to do.
[18:04] sexygirl153: i'll take im
[18:04] NelsonMinar: ooh, yahoo battle has an *extreme* logo ;-)
[18:04] TrevorFSmith: ChrisL_AK: that slide says that they want web scale search.
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[18:04] spaceboy: my moneys on girl
[18:04] marksimpkins: do they want to make their own search engine, but then why put in a slide asking Ayhoo/Google etc. to index the CC content
[18:04] plasticbag: new game: (Link: http://www.plasticbag.org/files/misc/coughping.shtml)http://www.plasticbag.org/files/misc/coughping.shtml
[18:04] dviner: so, is this cc search just an attempt to get yahoo or google to do this?
[18:05] sexygirl153: gah - his slide is DUMB
[18:05] DaveMc500hats: GoogleFight > YahooBattle
[18:05] ChrisL_AK: I don't see how they can handle it at their size-- 
[18:05] marksimpkins: they can' can they
[18:05] KevinMarks: I index their content
[18:05] Earthman: Don't try it at home
[18:05] TrevorFSmith: No.  They can't.
[18:05] marksimpkins: can't even
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[18:06] migurski: "it only needs to do what the screens do...... except the additional stuff in the background... *cough*"
[18:06] sexygirl153: it ONLY needs to do this. oh, and some other stuff
[18:06] sexygirl153: exactly
[18:06] TrevorFSmith: KevinMarks: you index their index?
[18:06] sexygirl153: he's talking crap
[18:06] spaceboy: it's getting painful
[18:06] miker: (Link: http://buzz.progphp.com/)http://buzz.progphp.com/
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[18:06] ChrisL_AK: I think they mean to do the best they can and hope it becomes needed enough that someone else steps in
[18:06] spaceboy: yeah, but no speach is final, it's a work in progress and you can change your mind
[18:06] alice: is it coffee after this?
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[18:07] Jonathan_Boutell: is anyone else disapointed with the basecamp talk so far?
[18:07] plasticbag: it's not crap as such
[18:07] mattb: riiight... so all systems can be designed in terms of their user interfaces?
[18:07] MattJones: i can't tell whether doc searls is playing coughping, or dying of consumption
[18:07] plasticbag: hahaha
[18:07] migurski: etech is not the right audience for this
[18:07] * nebby sighs
[18:07] sexygirl153: hahahahaha
[18:07] TrevorFSmith: cheesebikini: I suppose that's reasonable.
[18:07] dviner: what is rdf/a ??
[18:07] NelsonMinar: migurski - for what?
[18:07] sexygirl153: :(
[18:07] ChrisL_AK: ahh... faking one's death might cut the session short? 
[18:07] todbot: coughping... hehe
[18:07] plasticbag: I mean we've all been in situations where process has been over the top
[18:07] Earthman: migurski: for which pres?
[18:07] alice: uhoh
[18:07] plasticbag: Where this stuff gets extreme
[18:07] TrevorFSmith: (not cheesebikini, ChrisL_AK)
[18:07] alice: crowd getting ugly
[18:07] migurski: nelsonminar: basecamp
[18:07] MattJones: i think there's a lot of sense in showing as good a proto as you can early as you can
[18:07] plasticbag: it's worth having someone arguing for a different position
[18:07] spaceboy: well, it wasn't pretty to start with
[18:07] Earthman: ah
[18:08] mattb: i'm totally for end-to-ends
[18:08] plasticbag: and a lighter position is pretty cool, closer to how a group of clued people might build together
[18:08] noidfish: so he's just explaining what worked for him, i don't think hes saying you have to do it this way
[18:08] jbond: has anyone seen the bats yet?
[18:08] MattJones: noidfish +
[18:08] marksimpkins: bats???
[18:08] plasticbag: my main problem is that it all assumes that everyone who you work with is really really fucking good and that you all get on
[18:08] cybaea: Bats?
[18:08] noidfish: and it did work for them, so complaining that it's dumb is, well, dumb
[18:08] migurski: except he's saying "do this, do that, don't this this"
[18:08] plasticbag: and GOD KNOWS I WISH THAT WAS THE CASE
[18:08] dviner: i don't understnad what the cc-search has to do with "semantic web" ..
[18:08] zzgavin: and your team is small
[18:08] mattb: that's the ideal way to build things
[18:08] richardhod: well the rdf creative commons talk may be relevant but it's pretty dry too
[18:08] noidfish: so yeah, it won't work for others
[18:08] alice: heh tom
[18:08] MattJones: i guess he hasn't made it cleear enough that this is a case study, not a methodology for evrything in the entire world up to and including nuclear reactors
[18:08] plasticbag: but it's a hard set of first conditions to generate when you're working in a company already
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[18:08] plasticbag: it's like the UCD stuff
[18:09] plasticbag: works great if you're not a clueless fuckwit
[18:09] plasticbag: won't stop you being a clueless fuckwit
[18:09] Jonathan_Boutell: right but it's all terribly obvious right? This is exactly what I was expecting them to say, I'm not getting any insight from this
[18:09] plasticbag: works better if you came up with it than if you tell someone about it
[18:09] migurski: plasticbag: UCD?
[18:09] migurski: use case doc?
[18:09] plasticbag: user-centred design
[18:09] migurski: thx
[18:09] MattJones: User Centred Design
[18:09] sexygirl153: self centered design > user centered design
[18:09] sexygirl153: ;)
[18:09] plasticbag: blind process of any kind is shit
[18:09] eleanor: would be better if he specificlaly told a story, not just maxim s distilled from the bc experinece
[18:09] plasticbag: this process or UCD or unctional specs
[18:09] migurski: delicious == self-centered design
[18:09] MattJones: (Link: http://www.usability.serco.com/trump/resources/standards.htm)http://www.usability.serco.com/trump/resources/standards.htm
[18:10] plasticbag: oh don't start with self-centred desgin
[18:10] plasticbag: where did you hear that?
[18:10] sexygirl153: he's still kinda sexy though
[18:10] ryanco: the audience has taken control
[18:10] plasticbag: Jason?
[18:10] noidfish: but i think you have no hope at all if you work with clueless fuckwits
[18:10] plasticbag: yeah totalyl!
[18:10] alice: guffaw
[18:10] plasticbag: stone fox!
[18:10] sexygirl153: i would
[18:10] richardhod: self-using centres?
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[18:10] MattJones: noidfish ++++++
[18:10] MattJones: you're fucked then noidfish
[18:10] sexygirl153: :D
[18:10] mattb: i love my job
[18:10] Earthman: You can go blind from self-centered design
[18:10] plasticbag: noidfish you're not making me happy
[18:10] plasticbag: you're making me sad.
[18:10] sexygirl153: hahahahah
[18:11] MattJones: what's sexygirl153 giggling at
[18:11] bd34r: self-centered design: LOL
[18:11] cybaea: Nine minues left....?
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[18:11] bd34r: which session has the audience taken control in?
[18:11] MattJones: onanistic design
[18:11] sexygirl153: jason's basecamp one
[18:11] mattb: talk has now gone off-road
[18:11] AndyBaio: yep
[18:11] plasticbag: nice slides
[18:11] sexygirl153: derailed
[18:11] sexygirl153: ruby derailed
[18:11] AndyBaio: Moral: Never take questions in the middle of a talk
[18:11] plasticbag: although you know what?
[18:11] mattb: deraeled
[18:11] noidfish: oh, ok.  i'm sorry tom
[18:11] migurski: ouch
[18:11] bd34r: didn't he do that session at Web2.0?   did we need it again?
[18:11] * noidfish returns to throwing peanuts
[18:12] sexygirl153: :D
[18:12] migurski: this session happens every few weeks around the country
[18:12] sexygirl153: yeah
[18:12] plasticbag: he who would change the letterspacing of lowercase would steal sheep
[18:12] eleanor: ohno JIT?
[18:12] hober: not everyone goes to all of the conferences you know
[18:12] * alice slaps noidfish around a bit with a large trout
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[18:12] plasticbag: sure they do
[18:12] AndyBaio: Side note: If you're a popular musician, never ask for requests before the last song.  People will shout requests for the rest of your entire set
[18:12] seanbonner: finally
[18:12] cybaea: One hour afternoon break?  Did they run out of presenters?
[18:12] miker: Jeremy just dropped taht RSS for Yahoo results are available already.  Look at a yahoo results page, there's a feed available for that result set (users of Firefox see that as the little orange icon)
[18:12] MattJones: i think the kerning on the slides is immaculate
[18:12] MattJones: ah
[18:12] seanbonner: I've been trying get in for like 5 minutes
[18:12] nebby: hes about to go over the Edge
[18:12] MattJones: actually - the m and the o of most are a little off
[18:13] MattJones: yeah - the kerning here is all over the place
[18:13] MattJones: look at the c and a of scalability
[18:13] MattJones: shocking
[18:13] sexygirl153: yeaH
[18:13] mattb: scaling != server capacity
[18:13] richardhod: bloody designers
[18:13] _joshua: missing anything good?
[18:13] todbot: billin-g
[18:13] sexygirl153: r touvching f
[18:13] noidfish: and the choice of yellow
[18:13] plasticbag: it is horrible isn' it
[18:13] cybaea: There is a shadow on the yellow letters?
[18:13] sexygirl153: that's not the color choice
[18:13] plasticbag: the r and the f's clash horrifically
[18:13] plasticbag: where are the fucking ligatures
[18:13] sexygirl153: there's no red in the projector
[18:13] MattJones: sexygirl153 you know your kerning pairs, and that makes me hot - a/s/l?
[18:14] sexygirl153: hhahaha
[18:14] nebby: scalability indeed!
[18:14] sexygirl153: 16 / f / ca
[18:14] richardhod: lol
[18:14] cybaea: six minutes
[18:14] migurski: 40/m/fbi
[18:14] plasticbag: eep!
[18:14] sexygirl153: phwooorr!
[18:14] DaveMc500hats: he said 'exposed'.  heh.
[18:14] * MattJones shudders
[18:14] alice: numb bum.
[18:14] AndyBaio: pi/bi/wi
[18:14] spaceboy: me too
[18:14] sexygirl153: numb :(
[18:14] plasticbag: admin interfaces... mmmmmm....
[18:14] spaceboy: comfortably so?
[18:15] spaceboy: admin interfaces make me hot
[18:15] seanbonner: 50,000/?/your mom's house
[18:15] alice: matthew somerville is somehow reading this channel without having a computer. I suspect brain implants.
[18:15] sexygirl153: who is spaceboy?
[18:15] jrnoded_: bad seating interfaces
[18:15] MattJones: numbarses on seats on ruby on rael
[18:15] mattb: after all, users inside the company aren't really users, are they?
[18:15] seanbonner: jackets make me hot
[18:15] spaceboy: i'm your destdiny baby
[18:15] migurski: right. they are headcount.
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[18:15] sexygirl153: mmmm
[18:15] marksimpkins: COOFFFFEEEEEEEE
[18:15] alice: density!
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[18:15] zzgavin: the invisible users yes Mattb
[18:15] spaceboy: i'm your density baby!
[18:15] seanbonner: hot coffee makes me hot!
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[18:16] holgate: he's scraping your ganglia, spaceboy.
[18:16] ryanco: (Link: http://www.asciiarmor.com/resources/buildingbasecamp.txt)http://www.asciiarmor.com/resources/buildingbasecamp.txt
[18:16] sexygirl153: the sun makes me hot!
[18:16] Earthman: Density makes me.....dense
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[18:16] plasticbag: so who wants to coughping with me?
[18:16] ryanco: notes from jason's session 
[18:16] spaceboy: me
[18:16] alice: so sexygirl is in fact a boy, and spaceboy is a girl
[18:16] alice: this is like being in a mmog
[18:16] sexygirl153: IS THAT STEW?
[18:16] plasticbag: not EVERYONE
[18:16] spaceboy: yep. how future are we
[18:16] sexygirl153: oop,s capps lick
[18:16] joe_hughes: Heh, "launch before you can bill people for your service"
[18:16] plasticbag: one at a time
[18:16] plasticbag: jeez
[18:16] seanbonner: fuck. i need power soon.
[18:16] alice: caps lick. awesome.
[18:16] sexygirl153: :D
[18:16] jrnoded: talk to the lawyers
[18:16] * MattJones makes a dexterity roll to cure numb arse
[18:16] AndyBaio: I have six minutes left
[18:16] * sexygirl153 fails save against anger
[18:17] Earthman: Dexterity rolls are so ass
[18:17] seanbonner: need to get a good spot near power for the hardware hacks session
[18:17] migurski: i'm sitting next to tons of power in B
[18:17] mattb: in a perfect world, everything is perfect
[18:17] plasticbag: I like 37 signals
[18:17] mattb: he's got the answer!
[18:17] lpqboy: (ryanco - thanks for the notes.)
[18:17] spaceboy: (can I borrow someone's laptop so I can see what horrible things you say about us during our talk? Matthew S)
[18:17] plasticbag: they're like the adaptive path who make their own products
[18:17] migurski: an embarassment of outlets
[18:17] sexygirl153: i like jason - he's hot
[18:17] plasticbag: that's a good thing
[18:17] bd34r: knowledge is good -- faber college
[18:17] * MattJones likes 37signals too, but not ready to commit
[18:17] spaceboy: i'm channelling matthew
[18:17] seanbonner: spaceboy - only if you project it
[18:17] sexygirl153: 37signals is like a low budget adaptive path
[18:17] plasticbag: who makes the food?!
[18:17] sexygirl153: but sexier
[18:17] DaveMc500hats: hog wild mindshare... woot
[18:17] spaceboy: eeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww
[18:17] MattJones: lol
[18:18] sexygirl153: although, veen....
[18:18] seanbonner: ween?
[18:18] _joshua: jones
[18:18] plasticbag: veen's pretty foxy
[18:18] MattJones: they can't afford ajax, and have to use deowipes
[18:18] plasticbag: bit tall though
[18:18] migurski: he's so... tall
[18:18] sexygirl153: hahahahaha
[18:18] MattJones: _joshua ?
[18:18] migurski: i can't wait til he gets to "Bloggle"
[18:18] genmon: "would you like to play a game of chess?"
[18:19] sexygirl153: me too :D
[18:19] spaceboy: nice image: publicity vomit
[18:19] plasticbag: daisy, daisy
[18:19] MattJones: i'd rather play bloggle
[18:19] cybaea: Food is good.
[18:19] plasticbag: give me your answer do
[18:19] plasticbag: I'm half crazy
[18:19] TrevorFSmith: half?
[18:19] * Earthman wonders if there are churros again today
[18:19] plasticbag: oi
[18:19] MattJones: whoooooo
[18:19] zzgavin: tall is good
[18:19] MattJones: yellow fade is lovely
[18:19] alice: oh that's quite nice.
[18:19] holgate: BODY BGCOL 1996 in the house.
[18:19] migurski: it is
[18:19] alice: tums up.
[18:19] migurski: gawgeous
[18:19] sexygirl153: i've ripped that off for my new weblog
[18:19] jemstone: thats bloomin hard to do in ppt
[18:19] holgate: shouldn't it get yellower with age?
[18:19] plasticbag: signal vs. noise rocks too
[18:19] plasticbag: I love that blog
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[18:20] plasticbag: to be honest I really like 37 signals
[18:20] MattJones: MY NEW YELLOW FADE TECNHIQUE IS UNSTOPPABLE
[18:20] seanbonner: blogs suck
[18:20] plasticbag: > gasp <
[18:20] alice: rofl
[18:20] sexygirl153: hahaha
[18:20] todbot: hahaahhaha
[18:20] migurski: i'm a big fan of black fade technique
[18:20] spaceboy: again with the vomitting
[18:20] alice: stop making matthew snigger
[18:20] sexygirl153: i want to eat his techniques
[18:20] plasticbag: but.. the emperor has no clothes?!?!?!?!
[18:20] plasticbag: NOOOOOOOOOO!
[18:20] * plasticbag screams!
[18:20] spaceboy: and is covered in sick
[18:20] MattJones: Black Fade Rebel Motorcycle Club
[18:20] sexygirl153: :)
[18:20] holgate: someone else's sick.
[18:20] migurski: black faderz
[18:20] TrevorFSmith: blog is the new shark
[18:21] plasticbag: hang on
[18:21] holgate: jump the blog?
[18:21] seanbonner: jumped the blog?
[18:21] plasticbag: isn't that just tricking them?
[18:21] DaveMc500hats: jumped the blog?
[18:21] sexygirl153: his advice is "keep doing features" o_O
[18:21] DaveMc500hats: damn!
[18:21] seanbonner: blog attack!
[18:21] alice: major upgrade is the new patching
[18:21] MattJones: grab the shark by it's long tail, repeat till yellow fade
[18:21] DaveMc500hats: jumped the bonner?
[18:21] plasticbag: make people feel like you're upgrading by holding back functioanlity
[18:21] seanbonner: hey!
[18:21] sexygirl153: but also, "don't do many features" :)
[18:21] todbot: lol
[18:21] plasticbag: be totally transparent
[18:21] holgate: bonner riah.
[18:21] plasticbag: does anyone see a clash there?
[18:21] sexygirl153: more translucent
[18:21] seanbonner: The Clash?!
[18:21] DaveMc500hats: bonner with FRIKKIN LASER beams
[18:21] MattJones: is he going to tell us whether he got to 2nd Base(camp)?
[18:22] nebby: o dear
[18:22] NelsonMinar: zawodny done
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[18:22] sexygirl153: BLOGGLE!
[18:22] * alice eyes matt
[18:22] seanbonner: ok, this shit is done!
[18:22] TrevorFSmith: WTF is a one hour break doing here?
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[18:22] Earthman: Coffee time
[18:22] plasticbag: really!? a full hour!
[18:22] plasticbag: oh joy!
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[18:22] spaceboy: talk about stuff. radical
[18:22] holgate: frabjous
[18:22] MattJones: SCRUMJAX
[18:22] todbot: this etech is much smaller than last year, yeah?
[18:22] cybaea: Coffee
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[18:22] mattb: groundhog slide
[18:22] sexygirl153: don't get stuck using ruby!
[18:22] mattb: for the short of memory
[18:22] MattJones: SCRUMMMJAXXXX
[18:22] cybaea: todbot: On the contrary - bigger
[18:23] sexygirl153: SCRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUMJAX!
[18:23] todbot: hmm
[18:23] plasticbag: scruuuuuuuumjaxxxxx
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[18:23] migurski: yay language evangelism
[18:23] holgate: look at what happened to rael when he got stuck using ruby.
[18:23] spaceboy: and differently aligned
[18:23] mattb: let's get rael!
[18:23] zzgavin: 600 odd
[18:23] sexygirl153: hahahahahahahahahaha
[18:23] TrevorFSmith: What's a scrumjax?
[18:23] sexygirl153: the future
[18:23] spaceboy: illegal in most states
[18:23] MattJones: SCRUMMMMMMJAAAAAXXX
[18:23] plasticbag: it's a gay thing
[18:23] spaceboy: like barebacking
[18:23] sexygirl153: mostly, yes
[18:23] holgate: it's base and it's camp.
[18:23] todbot: agile srummmjaaaxxx
[18:23] ryanco: notes updated
[18:23] nebby: ahaha
[18:23] spaceboy: like me then
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[18:24] todbot: coffeetime
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[18:24] holgate: coffee.
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[18:24] AndyBaio: I see the Scrumjax Flickr group.  Looks like they have a first rule, too.
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[18:26] TrevorFSmith: No, I did not mean to search for scramasax.
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[18:38] jibot: cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com.
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[18:42] jibot: KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at (Link: http://epeus.blogspot.com)http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at (Link: http://mediagora.com)http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & PST (UTC-8) & working at Technorati & wrote a python based irc client of DOOM
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[18:46] jibot: wseltzer is Wendy Seltzer and works for the EFF and blogs at (Link: http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/)http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/
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[19:00] jibot: todbot is not a bot and Tod E. Kurt, living at (Link: http://todbot.com/)http://todbot.com/ and Pasadena CA. He works at Overture (nee Goto.com, now Yahoo) but is really an robotics geek
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[19:01] Knekk: ?help
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[19:02] Knekk: ?whois todbot
[19:02] jibot: todbot is not a bot and Tod E. Kurt, living at (Link: http://todbot.com/)http://todbot.com/ and Pasadena CA. He works at Overture (nee Goto.com, now Yahoo) but is really an robotics geek
[19:02] todbot: egads it knows about me!
[19:02] todbot: who remembers how to modify jibot?
[19:02] Knekk: ?learn Knekk is not a bot
[19:02] jibot: Knekk is Jorge of technorati and not a bot
[19:03] Knekk: do ?help
[19:03] todbot: ?help
[19:03] Earthman: Hi Jorge!!
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[19:03] Earthman: Knekk: Earthman = Adam
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[19:03] jibot: ChrisDodo is also known as anti-mega and sometimes even Chris Heathcote and in Helsinki, Finland and is in San Diego already
[19:04] todbot: ?forgetme 
[19:04] jibot: I have expunged todbot from my mind
[19:04] Knekk: Earthman: Hey Adam :) How's Etech treating you?
[19:04] Earthman: Pretty great
[19:04] Earthman: Have you seen any pictures of the plasma?
[19:04] Earthman: It's great
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[19:04] Knekk: Earthman: I have seen a few float by in the chat from FlickrBot
[19:04] Knekk: looks snazzy.
[19:04] Earthman: Yeah
[19:04] todbot: ?learn todbot is not a bot
[19:04] jibot: todbot is not a bot
[19:04] seanbonner: i got a great seat up front with power for hardware hacks
[19:05] Earthman: Sean, which room?
[19:05] seanbonner: Ballroom B
[19:05] sexygirl153: ?learn sexygirl153 is a sexy girl
[19:05] jibot: sexygirl153 is a sexy girl
[19:05] * Earthman is Pavlovian when it comes to powerstrips
[19:05] sexygirl153: seanbonner: raise your hand
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[19:05] Knekk: wouldn't salivating on a powerstrip cause a short?
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[19:05] sexygirl153: aha
[19:05] Earthman: Knekk: good point
[19:05] todbot: ?learn todbot is Tod E. Kurt, at (Link: http://todbot.com/)http://todbot.com/ . Once a Yahoo (via GoTo.com), now a space probe nerd.
[19:05] jibot: todbot is not a bot and Tod E. Kurt, at (Link: http://todbot.com/)http://todbot.com/ . Once a Yahoo (via GoTo.com), now a space probe nerd.
[19:05] sexygirl153: the heckling camp is on the other side of the room
[19:06] Knekk: Earthman: I am jealous :(
[19:06] sexygirl153: but this guy is awesome
[19:06] holgate: heckling man will be held in nevada this summer.
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[19:06] Earthman: ?learn Earthman is Adam Hertz at (Link: http://adam.typepad.com/impossiblethings)http://adam.typepad.com/impossiblethings . VP of Engineering at Technorati.  A sucker for a comfy chair and an available powerstrip
[19:06] jibot: Earthman is Adam Hertz at (Link: http://adam.typepad.com/impossiblethings)http://adam.typepad.com/impossiblethings . VP of Engineering at Technorati. A sucker for a comfy chair and an available powerstrip
[19:06] sexygirl153: hahaha
[19:06] sexygirl153: i'd SO atend that
[19:07] seanbonner: I'm actually staying with James
[19:07] sexygirl153: quel james?
[19:07] seanbonner: the guy on stage
[19:07] Earthman: Knekk:  If you're interested you can go to the next interesting conf
[19:07] seanbonner: he's my etech roomie
[19:07] seanbonner: (one of them)
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[19:08] Knekk: Earthman: Will it be in Amsterdam? :)
[19:08] Knekk: Earthman: hehe
[19:08] Earthman: sean is clearly A-list material
[19:08] sexygirl153: ahhh, that one
[19:08] seanbonner: me? No way.
[19:08] sexygirl153: i saw the divx of his notcon stuff
[19:08] Knekk: Earthman: not sure if you have seen this: (Link: http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/144/report_display.asp)http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/144/report_display.asp
[19:08] Earthman: Knekk: Thanks!
[19:09] seanbonner: Earthman: The 7s of people who read my blog would probably disagree
[19:10] Earthman: I feel like I should go to the Brit thing in C cuz Stefan is a Technorati developer
[19:10] * Earthman wonders whether there are powerstrips in C
[19:10] sexygirl153: madalinski works for technorati? o_O
[19:10] seanbonner: tell him you got lost
[19:10] seanbonner: stuck in traffic
[19:10] Earthman: sexy: no, he's in our developer program
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[19:11] sexygirl153: ahh
[19:11] Earthman: Detour for a Dove Bar
[19:11] sexygirl153: makes more sense
[19:11] Earthman: He wrote this WhiteLabel thing that proxies for the BBC and shows blog links to the stories
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[19:11] Earthman: Quite brilliant, as he might say
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[19:12] alice: proxies wikipedia definitions onto bbc news..
[19:12] Earthman: That, too
[19:12] Earthman: Also posts via TR API
[19:12] seanbonner: ?forget seanbonner is working on (Link: http://www.metroblogging.com)http://www.metroblogging.com
[19:12] jibot: I now only know that seanbonner is in Los Angeles, CA & can be found at (Link: http://www.seanbonner.com)http://www.seanbonner.com & likes gadgets & blogs & lemonade
[19:12] NiallKennedy: lots of interesting political implementations of Technorati API
[19:12] Knekk: ?info (Link: http://adam.typepad.com/impossiblethings)http://adam.typepad.com/impossiblethings
[19:12] Earthman: Hi Niall!
[19:12] jibot: To Wish for Impossible Things - URL: (Link: http://adam.typepad.com/impossiblethings)http://adam.typepad.com/impossiblethings - Last update: 2005-03-14 20:54 - Inbound links: 112 - Inbound blogs: 18
[19:13] Knekk: hey Niall
[19:13] seanbonner: ?lear seanbonner is is one of the dudes behind metroblogging and bloggers without borders
[19:13] Earthman: Knekk, you're embarrassing me
[19:13] seanbonner: ?learn seanbonner is is one of the dudes behind metroblogging and bloggers without borders
[19:13] jibot: seanbonner is in Los Angeles, CA & can be found at (Link: http://www.seanbonner.com)http://www.seanbonner.com & likes gadgets & blogs & lemonade & is one of the dudes behind metroblogging & bloggers without borders
[19:13] Knekk: Earthman: sorry, just playing around with jibot :)
[19:13] NiallKennedy: ah. we've resorted to playing with bots
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[19:13] todbot: well, the next talk after next _is_ about robots....
[19:13] todbot: :)
[19:14] seanbonner: bots bots bots
[19:14] NiallKennedy: hearing Larsson talk about what sort of gadgets he hooks up to his dates could be interesting ;)
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[19:15] seanbonner: freightening
[19:15] sexygirl153: haha
[19:15] TrevorFSmith: todbot: feral robots, no less.
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[19:15] jibot: tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department
[19:15] todbot: the best kind, for robots or dates
[19:15] seanbonner: I've actually been hearing about "this crazy hardware hacking guy" for days
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[19:16] sexygirl153: is ewan connected to jaems somehow?
[19:16] seanbonner: and only realized it was the guy I was staying with this afternoon
[19:16] Earthman: These guys are hacking their app just before the talk starts.  Gotta love it!!
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[19:16] NiallKennedy: hahaha
[19:16] NiallKennedy: maybe you are part of the app
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[19:16] Earthman: He has a subroutine called "technorati_pretty"
[19:16] Knekk: ./~ I feel pretty ./~
[19:17] NiallKennedy: how many API calls does it take to make Technorati pretty?
[19:17] NiallKennedy: :)
[19:17] sexygirl153: total fucking mexico
[19:17] todbot: % ./i_feel_pretty.pl  --oh-so-pretty
[19:17] Earthman: You've heard that "drink till she's cute" thing...well it's even worse with our API
[19:17] todbot: hahahahah!
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[19:17] Knekk: makes sense, since we were drinking till it made sense while coding it
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[19:17] jibot: jseng is in singapore and blogs at (Link: http://james.seng.cc/)http://james.seng.cc/ and is at etech
[19:17] todbot: "i'm not as refptr as you void* i am"
[19:18] Earthman: You think if I up his API quota he'll let me use his powerstrip?
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[19:18] Earthman: todbot: LOL
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[19:18] nebby: what would little mainaics like to do first
[19:18] ryanco: hardware hacking talk: 100% peruvian free zone
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[19:19] lyza: Anyone got a PCMCIA compact flash reader? Or perhaps found one on the floor?
[19:20] * lyza is caught with no way to upload photos
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[19:20] jbond: usb cable?
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[19:20] lyza: oooh actually
[19:20] lyza: that's what I lost :)
[19:20] Earthman: Stefan isn't sure what the semantic web is
[19:20] Earthman: We like that
[19:20] seanbonner: I've got an SD reader
[19:20] todbot: radio shack is a few blocks away
[19:20] jbond: I have one you can use
[19:20] lyza: CF readers are faster so I thought I'd angle it that way ;)
[19:20] todbot: maybe they have?
[19:20] seanbonner: and a memory stick reader
[19:20] lyza: I need regular->mini
[19:20] lyza: (USB)
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[19:20] lyza: but now it is time for hacking watching
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[19:21] jbond: lyza I have reg to mini on me
[19:21] lyza: I'll have to seek you out at some piont
[19:21] lyza: point even
[19:21] lyza: so WATCH OUT
[19:21] jbond: lhs 2/3 back in ballroom B
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[19:22] sexygirl153: /whois lyza
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[19:22] lyza: giggle
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[19:22] * sexygirl153 prods lyza
[19:22] lyza: it's more like /whereis
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[19:22] sexygirl153: /locate lyza
[19:22] lyza: watch for raised hand in ballroom B
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[19:22] jibot: joho is blogging at (Link: http://hyperorg.com/blogger/)http://hyperorg.com/blogger/ & journal of the hyperlinked organization & David Weinberger & always confused & often miscellaneous
[19:22] DaveMc500hats: nice topic Nelson
[19:22] lyza: okay
[19:22] sexygirl153: aha
[19:22] sexygirl153: front left
[19:22] lyza: right
[19:22] lyza: stage left sure
[19:22] knauer: god save the queen and her data
[19:22] sexygirl153: oh, yeah
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[19:22] jibot: cybaea is is a nice guy but you don't care: you just want to know that he blogs (sometimes) at (Link: http://www.cybaea.net/Journal/)http://www.cybaea.net/Journal/
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[19:24] * jbond its puzzling. I can't ssl tunnel to smtp out here. Works fine inthe hotel and normally.
[19:24] KevinMarks: do they have Crown Copyright bullshit with Hansard like Ordnance survey?
[19:24] lyza: I can't ssh from here
[19:24] richardhod: can someone log the fun hacks in ballroom A. it's the fun one but I feel we have to be here in B
[19:24] Earthman: I can ask
[19:24] richardhod: Hansard is copyrighted by the crown
[19:24] marksimpkins: KevinMarks: wait and hear :)
[19:24] sexygirl153: i can ssh fine...
[19:24] lyza: I'm unfortunately using windows
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[19:24] sexygirl153: you on the etech wifi, or the other wifi?
[19:24] marksimpkins: parlimentary copyright
[19:24] lyza: which could explain a few things :(
[19:24] jbond: SSH works. SSL pop3 works
[19:24] cybaea: I am?
[19:25] * lyza passionately hates windows
[19:25] sexygirl153: as am i - all the sexy people do
[19:25] lyza: I can ssh from my VNC'ed mac at home
[19:25] richardhod: unlike American statutes which are public domain, I believe. Which is an unusual state of affairs, that they don't charge in the US
[19:25] jbond: yes. on etech wifi
[19:25] lyza: so things are fine
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[19:25] jibot: miker is not a government bot sent to incriminate us and Mike Rowehl and a hacker and blogs at (Link: http://www.bitsplitter.net/blog/)http://www.bitsplitter.net/blog/
[19:25] sexygirl153: i think lyza is trying attract geeks
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[19:25] TrevorFSmith: Like that's hard.
[19:25] sexygirl153: well, yeah
[19:26] lyza: I'm quite horrifically ugly. 
[19:26] lyza: And rather stupid.
[19:26] KevinMarks: wasn't there a freedem of info bill in the UK? did they opt out everythign people actually wanted?
[19:26] spaceboy: still not a problem
[19:26] * Earthman hands lyza a large stick to beat of the geeks
[19:26] todbot: huh, pr0n sandwiches
[19:26] seanbonner: PRAWN
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[19:26] sexygirl153: i don't see a problem with that
[19:26] sexygirl153: you have a vpn ;)
[19:26] DaveMc500hats: 'traversing'
[19:27] richardhod: no, that didn't include crown copyright
[19:27] Earthman: Kevin, there you go
[19:27] richardhod: as he just mentions :)
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[19:27] jibot: anildash is Anil Dash and blogs at (Link: http://www.dashes.com/anil/)http://www.dashes.com/anil/ and is a cool guy
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[19:28] sexygirl153: heyhey anildash
[19:28] spaceboy: whats going on in theyworkforyou?
[19:28] NiallKennedy: hi anildash
[19:28] anildash: heyhey
[19:28] richardhod: it still works
[19:28] holgate: we're shrimping over here.
[19:28] sexygirl153: :)
[19:28] nebby:  prawn conductivity decay graph
[19:28] spaceboy: non linear sandwiches rule
[19:28] genmon: day 4!
[19:29] migurski: mayo really keeps it up
[19:29] spaceboy: so i'm told 
[19:29] jbond: hmmm? port 465 outgoing blocked? 
[19:29] holgate: yah. no SSL SMTP.
[19:29] nebby: prawnometer
[19:30] Earthman: jbond: I'm having trouble w/that too
[19:30] holgate: prolly need to tunnel it.
[19:30] DaveMc500hats: does anyone have any idea what this crazy brit is talking about yet?
[19:30] DaveMc500hats: ;)
[19:30] holgate: this is 'look around you' in real life.
[19:30] lobo_: Beebs rule
[19:30] spaceboy: totally
[19:30] sexygirl153: i have several of those
[19:30] jbond: Elite++
[19:30] DaveMc500hats: 'i'm here for an argument'
[19:30] holgate: ChuckieEgg++
[19:30] nebby: look around you
[19:31] holgate: thanks, ants.
[19:31] nebby: holgate++
[19:31] nebby: thants
[19:31] holgate: nebby++
[19:31] lobo_: holgate: ChuckieEgg++ :o)
[19:31] lyza: I want to be incremented!
[19:31] jbond: not sure I have the energy to try and tunnel through.  
[19:31] DaveMc500hats: blogging online govt?
[19:31] jbond: I'll just wait until the hotel tonite.
[19:32] lyza: That sounds kinky
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[19:32] jbond: unless someone has an open smtp server I can use... 
[19:32] sexygirl153: sadly not :)
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[19:33] jbond: I mean I wouldn't want to expose my smtp password with you lot around
[19:33] sexygirl153: yeah jones
[19:33] sexygirl153: *hey jones
[19:33] MattJones: yes?
[19:33] holgate: here comes the disclaimer bit.
[19:33] MattJones: heheh
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[19:34] jibot: cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com.
[19:34] tengi: holgate: you called it....
[19:34] jbond: disclaimer: we don't need no steenking disclaimers
[19:35] lyza: ?cool
[19:35] lyza: or not
[19:35] holgate: that was better than 'professional driver on a closed course'
[19:35] Big1: flyback transformer
[19:35] jbond: objects in mirror
[19:35] tengi: there's a reason they call it a "flyback: transformer....
[19:35] Big1: heh
[19:35] sexygirl153: :)
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[19:35] holgate: 'caution: coffee is hot'
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[19:35] jibot: jseng is in singapore and blogs at (Link: http://james.seng.cc/)http://james.seng.cc/ and is at etech
[19:35] MattJones: first mention of leyden jars at emerging tech ever i think
[19:35] lobo_: kill the ground - taser tastic...
[19:35] spaceboy: caution contains nuts
[19:35] jbond: mmm start a fire
[19:36] todbot: nuts
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[19:36] jbond: anyone got a tesla coil?
[19:36] MattJones: yeah!
[19:36] spaceboy: yeah, hang on.........
[19:36] todbot: i've a hand-made jacob's ladder
[19:36] holgate: now place the capacitor in the Jane Grey. Stir.
[19:36] spaceboy: no, sorry left it in the hotel pool
[19:36] Big1: my dad's a tv repairman.  he's got an AWESOME set of powertools!
[19:37] MattJones: I'm currently mocking up in photoshop a Tesla wireless power attachment for the obelisk outside the hotel, for the new O'Reilly/Fark/B3ta hybrid, "Fake:" magazine
[19:37] jbond: It's a bit like sheep shagging really. Always wear rubber boots.
[19:37] richardhod: aha, Freedom of information actually might work
[19:37] sexygirl153: "Faker"
[19:37] holgate: O'Reilly "Cake" magazine.
[19:38] sexygirl153: ooooh
[19:38] spaceboy: nice.
[19:38] MattJones: ChrisDodo's favourite magazine evar
[19:38] spaceboy: this week: coffee and walnut
[19:38] lyza: <cough> "Bake" </cough>
[19:38] sexygirl153: :)
[19:38] ChrisDodo: i am so there
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[19:38] sexygirl153: i'll join you
[19:38] ChrisDodo: baking hacks
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[19:39] spaceboy: pretty!
[19:39] TrevorFSmith: "And now Chris is inserting the firing cap into the bunt pan."
[19:39] jbond: wow!
[19:39] jbond: Beats winamp visualisations
[19:39] holgate: oooh
[19:39] Big1: that's cool
[19:39] holgate: winamp + fear of imminent death++
[19:40] todbot: lissajous woo woo
[19:40] lobo_: analogue rules
[19:40] sexygirl153: excellent stuff
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[19:41] holgate: it's the proper lift warning sign.
[19:41] spaceboy: is he going to raise the dead?
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[19:41] sexygirl153: that would be awesome
[19:41] _joshua: what
[19:41] tengi: charging.....  CLEAR!
[19:41] todbot: emerging zombies
[19:41] holgate: yep. esp. good to save on ER medical bills.
[19:42] *** jseng has signed off IRC (Client Quit).
[19:42] spaceboy: zomie hacking 
[19:42] seanbonner: yeah! Big Sparks!
[19:42] sexygirl153: he's great
[19:42] joho: anyone else in theyworkforyou?
[19:42] knauer: yep
[19:42] TrevorFSmith: joho: yes
[19:42] lobo_: cool - winamp for bugs...
[19:42] * Earthman is in TheyWorkForYou
[19:43] joho: it's discouraging to be in a session and hear big laughs and applause next door
[19:43] * seanbonner is in KillingBugsWithYourMonitor
[19:43] joho: so try to keep it down, please. thx.
[19:43] knauer: maybe we should just laugh and clap too?
[19:43] joho: yeah! we'll show them!
[19:43] TrevorFSmith: knauer: you first.
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[19:43] seanbonner: take that!
[19:43] * joho claps wildly and randomly
[19:43] migurski: poor lil bug
[19:43] sexygirl153: haha
[19:44] knauer: you didn't double dare me
[19:44] tengi: popcorn mouse
[19:44] joho: hey you guys in theyworkforyou, put your pants back on!
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[19:44] joho: here come the chippendale dancers!
[19:44] TrevorFSmith: joho: I can't.  The unicorn has them!
[19:44] joho: :)
[19:44] spaceboy: theystripforyou
[19:45] *** chrisweare is now known as freightoi.
[19:45] joho: and i was just telling someone this morning that levitation was impossible. apparenetly i didn't count on the time travel effect.
[19:45] seanbonner: TheyWorkForYounonomy
[19:45] TrevorFSmith: I've never seen lard used with quite that result.
[19:45] jbond: TheyUsedToWorkForYou 
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[19:46] joho: TheyDontLaughAndClapForYou.com
[19:46] TrevorFSmith: ouch
[19:46] nebby: defibrilating chickens
[19:46] lyza: ooooh immorality
[19:46] nebby: and there ya have it
[19:46] jbond: And after May 5. TheyWillWorkForYou
[19:47] sexygirl153: nad he's not even joking
[19:47] TrevorFSmith: wait.  we had some low murmuring laughter!
[19:47] knauer: we need a canned laughter machine
[19:47] joho: like they have next door?
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[19:47] knauer: there actually is no one next door
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[19:47] freightoi: hey, laughter in here is real :-)
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[19:47] spaceboy: its wierd science!
[19:48] todbot: fantasy and microchips
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[19:48] sexygirl153: genius
[19:48] joho: double genius in here
[19:48] joho: maybe 2.5x
[19:48] sexygirl153: MORE genius here
[19:49] seanbonner: best thing yet!
[19:49] joho: hilarious, but the sort of laughter that stays inside your lungs
[19:49] nebby: again i say: "what would you little maniacs like to do first?"
[19:49] sexygirl153: emotion detecting cutlery
[19:49] TrevorFSmith: We just got free powerbook G5s.
[19:49] sexygirl153: we got G6's
[19:49] dviner: free powerbooks ?
[19:49] seanbonner: We just got blowjobs
[19:49] TrevorFSmith: I went for the 12".  Who needs a 21" powerbook?
[19:49] knauer: loaded with pr0n
[19:49] holgate: and kittens.
[19:49] spaceboy: we can lie detector our dates
[19:49] freightoi: hey,  when does os x go to II?
[19:49] sexygirl153: such cute kittnes
[19:49] joho: golden kittens with two heads
[19:49] TrevorFSmith: Oh, our powerbooks were delivered on the  backs of kittens.
[19:50] genmon: larger than life size horse made of solid glass
[19:50] knauer: overheated kitties
[19:50] freightoi: dates?
[19:50] joho: wise golden two-headed kittens that tell the future and pick appropriate slacks
[19:50] spaceboy: slacks?
[19:50] freightoi: getting the date is the hard part!
[19:50] joho: we're worshipping a golden calf now. cool!
[19:50] TrevorFSmith: And Steve Jobs just gave us preview copies of Tabby, the OS X after Tiger.
[19:50] crysflame: free powerbook G4s?!
[19:50] joho: i have trouble picking slacks, spaceboy. want to make something of it?
[19:50] crysflame: G4s?
[19:50] genmon: a flower that grows to the centre of the earth and heats your socks with magma
[19:50] crysflame: dammit fingers
[19:50] crysflame: that has to be a joke =)
[19:50] TrevorFSmith: G5s.
[19:50] knauer: hey... settle down... freedom is on the march in our session
[19:50] crysflame: everyone knows that the G5 doesn't fit in a powerbook
[19:50] crysflame: too much heat =)
[19:50] spaceboy: no, just that you pick SLACKS
[19:51] joho: it's late in the afternoon, i'm tired...
[19:51] TrevorFSmith: crysflame: that's funny, because I'm IRCing you from my new powerbook G5 right now.
[19:51] TrevorFSmith: It was free in the TheyWorkForYou.com session.
[19:51] joho: my new powerbook kittens work via esp
[19:51] TrevorFSmith: esp and folksonomies.
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[19:52] joho: parapsychonomies
[19:52] knauer: espsonomies
[19:52] joho: epsonomies: classified printers
[19:52] freightoi: spesp
[19:52] freightoi: spam esp
[19:52] Earthman: Wait a minute, I thought everytime anyone said folksonomy a kitten died?
[19:52] _joshua: Oh, I hope so
[19:52] seanbonner: FAUXONOMY
[19:52] todbot: folksonomy
[19:52] TrevorFSmith: Earthman: It's ok.  We have lots of kittens.
[19:52] spaceboy: yeah, we just killed your powerkittens
[19:53] joho: no, if you don't say folksonomy they're going to kill some kittens
[19:53] holgate: they rescuscitated it with a monitor coil.
[19:53] sexygirl153: fauxonomy
[19:53] todbot: remixed dna killkittens 
[19:53] NiallKennedy: only the kittens with long tails
[19:53] seanbonner:  no, if you say folksononomy we kill you
[19:53] joho: not fast enough, spaceboy. I'm wearing boots of kittensaving and put them under a protective veil of folksonomy
[19:53] ryanco: inflight notes on hardware hacks: (Link: http://asciiarmor.com/resources/hardwarehacks.txt)http://asciiarmor.com/resources/hardwarehacks.txt
[19:53] * jbond stabs sean
[19:53] dviner: why are all speeches w/ "semantic web" in the title start by saying "this talk isn't about the semantic web" ?
[19:54] TrevorFSmith: Wait...  Our speaker just solved all problems around folksonomies.
[19:54] TrevorFSmith: Amazing.
[19:54] joho: and then clay shirky entered and smote them with his mighty sword Folxonomi!
[19:54] cheesebikini: dont make me break out my google dockbar
[19:54] ChrisDodo: there are tens of character and physical traits they can detect from lengths of fingers
[19:54] spaceboy: i love it when he smotes
[19:54] joho: this is a no smoting zone, unfortunately
[19:54] crysflame: Trevor: somehow i disbelieve
[19:54] crysflame: really hard
[19:54] sexygirl153: he's genius
[19:54] crysflame: cheesebikini: do you have the HTML source of it?
[19:55] seanbonner: this is the best session yet
[19:55] joho: we are so going to outcheer you once this guy is done.
[19:55] crysflame: sean: which session?
[19:55] TrevorFSmith: crysflame: you should see the NP complete problem processor in my new powerbook.
[19:55] seanbonner: Hardware Hacking
[19:55] joho: theyworkforyou, crysflame
[19:55] cheesebikini: no but heres an image:
[19:55] cheesebikini: (Link: http://www.assembleme.com/2005/03/google-osx-sitting-in-tree.html)http://www.assembleme.com/2005/03/google-osx-sitting-in-tree.html
[19:55] seanbonner: from the far side
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[19:55] alice: we should build an etech mmog
[19:55] alice: clay can be a powerup
[19:55] sexygirl153: subliminal message system :D
[19:56] crysflame: cheesebikini: it is so gone
[19:56] joho: when will oreilly do a Hacking Coughs book for smokers?
[19:56] crysflame: Trevor: by all rights, it doesn't exist
[19:56] todbot: what does the "o" in "etech mmog" stand for?
[19:56] crysflame: and even if it does, you can't prove you have one
[19:56] crysflame: becuase otherwise its power would be questionable
[19:56] cheesebikini: crys: somehow i think it was a prank!  maybe even something done filtering traffic locally in etech?
[19:56] sexygirl153: online?
[19:56] joho: what do the mog in mmog stand for?
[19:56] cheesebikini: it seemed SOOO ungoogle
[19:56] migurski: noam toran showed some fanastic work like this at ivrea last year (sublim. messages)
[19:56] todbot: ontologie
[19:56] migurski: wish i had a URL, will google
[19:57] joho: what does the u in w stand for?
[19:57] alice: heh the o is so redundant. you're right.
[19:57] todbot: hahahaha!
[19:57] TrevorFSmith: crysflame: weird.  my pb G5 is emulating Alan Turing.
[19:57] joho: can be right when i have no idea what i'm talking about?
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[19:57] * crysflame gives up on the joke.
[19:57] crysflame: cheese: i saw it from home on my firefox not at etech
[19:57] crysflame: i still have it open in a browser
[19:57] crysflame: it was smoooooooth
[19:57] crysflame: also violates the apple look&feel dock patent
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[19:58] crysflame: :)
[19:58] dviner: speakers should post slides on (Link: http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech05/index.cgi?PresentationSlides)http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech05/index.cgi?PresentationSlides
[19:58] joho: there! that showed them!
[19:58] joho: we rule!
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[19:58] joho: yeah!
[19:58] *** joe_hughes has signed off IRC ().
[19:58] TrevorFSmith: we so rule.
[19:58] jseng: talking about the mac like google?
[19:58] NelsonMinar: ?
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[19:58] TrevorFSmith: Now, feral robots!
[19:58] jseng: who have a url?
[19:59] crysflame: oo, feral robots
[19:59] * crysflame eats TrevorFSmith
[19:59] seanbonner: sex
[19:59] spaceboy: dirty girl
[19:59] sexygirl153: sex
[19:59] sexygirl153: sex sex
[19:59] freightoi: so, who is the steve jobs of google?
[19:59] seanbonner: sex sex sex
[20:00] sexygirl153: sex sex sex
[20:00] seanbonner: sex
[20:00] sexygirl153: sex sex sex sex
[20:00] spaceboy: sex sex sex
[20:00] spaceboy: sex
[20:00] sexygirl153: sex
[20:00] nebby: hex?
[20:00] seanbonner: sex
[20:00] sexygirl153: sex sex
[20:00] spaceboy: sex
[20:00] sexygirl153: sex
[20:00] seanbonner: sex sex sex sex
[20:00] sexygirl153: sxe sex
[20:00] spaceboy: sex sex sex 
[20:00] lobo_: sex
[20:00] seanbonner: sex
[20:00] sexygirl153: sex
[20:00] lobo_: sex sex
[20:00] *** jseng has signed off IRC ().
[20:00] todbot: kittens?
[20:00] holgate: the kama sutra of logic gates.
[20:00] nebby: naughty diagrams
[20:00] tengi: stop it, you'll go blind
[20:01] spaceboy: hot gay gates
[20:01] cheesebikini: did ANYONE snag the source code/graphics from the Google X thing?  need it for somethin..
[20:01] freightoi: orgy gate
[20:01] seanbonner: cheesebikini I have a jpg on seanbonner.com
[20:01] sexygirl153: gate porn
[20:02] cheesebikini: yeh ive got a screenshot..
[20:02] seanbonner: gate
[20:02] seanbonner: gate pr0n
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[20:02] freightoi: ahh, there is the orgy
[20:02] *** cybaea has signed off IRC ("no reason").
[20:02] holgate: we're in pun territory now.
[20:02] *** Big1 has signed off IRC (Connection timed out).
[20:02] sexygirl153: that was awful
[20:03] genmon: is anybody else slightly cringing here?
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[20:03] freightoi: thevenin rules
[20:03] seanbonner: punsonomy
[20:03] sexygirl153: somewhat
[20:03] spaceboy: cringelette
[20:03] freightoi: my little pony or gatepr0n
[20:04] nebby: more a puntology
[20:04] sexygirl153: this is getting a little weird
[20:04] sexygirl153: *werider
[20:04] freightoi: weird rules
[20:04] spaceboy: ermmmmmm
[20:04] freightoi: we need more weird
[20:04] todbot: off the deep end now
[20:05] freightoi: suh wheeet!
[20:05] nebby: look around you
[20:05] lobo_: err - getting the bends
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[20:05] freightoi: brilliant!
[20:05] spaceboy: have passed into parallel universe now
[20:05] migurski: english accents are tailor-made for childrens' stories
[20:05] tengi: Thomas the Tank PC
[20:05] jbond: Is the audience lapping this up?
[20:06] spaceboy: still, better than madonna's effort
[20:06] todbot: tengi: exactly
[20:06] *** Earthman has signed off IRC ("This machine just fell asleep").
[20:06] freightoi: hmmmm, wonder if he wants to come work at msft?
[20:06] dviner: english accents make all presentations more entertaining.
[20:06] sexygirl153: :)
[20:06] NelsonMinar: more classy, too
[20:06] freightoi: doh!
[20:06] jbond: all was harmony. Until the BSOD
[20:07] lobo_: pure comedy genius...
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[20:07] jemstone:  you're all being too kind about the english (blush)
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[20:07] freightoi: scatologonomy
[20:07] seanbonner: out
[20:07] *** seanbonner has signed off IRC ("Client exiting").
[20:07] tengi: 3, 2, 1.... liftoff!
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[20:09] lyza: usb cable anyone?
[20:09] lyza: :D
[20:09] lyza: I'm so demanding
[20:09] jbond: lyza raising arm now
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[20:10] sexygirl153: where did you move to?
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[20:11] TrevorFSmith: lyza: I'm in the back of B with a USB cable.  Orange shirt.
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[20:11] sexygirl153: i thoink she gt onwe already
[20:11] lyza: Oh, got one. You guuys rock
[20:11] lyza: Ugh, lag causing typos
[20:12] sexygirl153: my typos are 100% caused by stupdity
[20:12] NelsonMinar: time for payback for Tom Coates
[20:12] BigD:  we in the back need some strategy to keep dingleberries from standing in front of us
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[20:12] sexygirl153: hahahaha
[20:13] TrevorFSmith: poke them with your foot and then look away.
[20:13] TrevorFSmith: On the third or fourth time, they move.
[20:13] todbot: BigD: must be pretty short if dingleberries are a problem
[20:13] holgate: can we heckle coates from the other room?
[20:13] BigD: don't people understand personal space?
[20:13] todbot: :)
[20:13] dviner_: isn't cross-room heckling what irc is for?
[20:13] BigD: i'm getting even by coughing my flu on them
[20:13] spaceboy: you need the personal space dress with the spikes on it
[20:13] BigD: yeah!
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[20:14] BigD: but would it make my butt look big?
[20:14] lyza: I hate windows so much
[20:14] spaceboy: yes
[20:14] lyza: God forbid I ask it to take photos off of my camera
[20:14] BigD: well... bigger
[20:14] TrevorFSmith: your butt makes your butt look big.
[20:14] todbot: ouch
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[20:14] BigD: heh, 
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[20:14] joho: I'm in the bbc one and this time I expect some raucous laughter, people!
[20:14] * BigD programs a robot to kill ppl with orange shirts.
[20:14] freightoi: hrmm,  I can't get my photos off my p900 and onto my mac
[20:14] lyza: "generic host process for Win32 Services has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience."
[20:14] spaceboy: we got robots
[20:14] spaceboy: free robots
[20:15] todbot: main screen turn on
[20:15] NelsonMinar: windows loves you, lyza
[20:15] holgate: bluetooth, freightol?
[20:15] dviner_: hmm... "this is about identifiers"... didn't sam r say identifiers are *really* hard?
[20:15] jbond: robots schmobots
[20:15] freightoi: yeah
[20:15] TrevorFSmith: joho: If the feral dogs don't eat us, I'm sure this session will be louder.
[20:15] Earthman: Robots and powerstrips, mmmm
[20:15] spaceboy: robot kittens
[20:15] freightoi: bluetooth no happy
[20:15] nebby: helen grainer vs. natalie jer.: who would win?
[20:15] TrevorFSmith: natalie.
[20:15] TrevorFSmith: no contest.
[20:15] lyza: This is me about to melt down.
[20:15] freightoi: I can put image onto the phone but... not all that useful
[20:15] nebby: ;pay per view
[20:15] BigD: can i watch?
[20:15] TrevorFSmith: Oh, wait.  You're talking about a pie throwing contest, right?
[20:15] lyza: Someone stop me from kicking this laptop into the screen up there
[20:15] todbot: vs. james larrson
[20:15] lyza: like a football
[20:16] seanbonner: lyza: stop
[20:16] holgate: robot queen deathmatch.
[20:16] nebby: but helen has the Empire behind her
[20:16] freightoi: I like my pc laptop.  it has a glowing alien on the back
[20:16] crysflame: hey, man
[20:16] crysflame: orange is da bomb
[20:16] joho: that's funny because we have robot queen deathmatch going on in the bbc session too!
[20:16] seanbonner: STOP STOP STOP
[20:16] TrevorFSmith: nj had motion triggered video of jumpers from GG bridge.
[20:16] * crysflame drops the BOMB???!!!! again
[20:16] freightoi: and it is ugly green
[20:16] TrevorFSmith: no contest.
[20:16] NelsonMinar: kr7rm
[20:16] crysflame: TrevorFSmith: ha
[20:16] NelsonMinar: kmfdm
[20:16] seanbonner: not THE BOMB!
[20:16] NelsonMinar: kr7rm
[20:16] crysflame: THE BOMB!!!
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[20:16] * crysflame ex[plode]s
[20:16] jbond: Oh no. They set us up
[20:16] BigD: nelson's numlock on?
[20:16] NelsonMinar: 6 results (Link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kr7rm&btnG=Google+Search)http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kr7rm&btnG=Google+Search
[20:17] TrevorFSmith: joho: are your robot queens wielding lazerz?  because ours are.
[20:17] NelsonMinar: bigd - no, a talk
[20:17] _joshua: main presentation turn on
[20:17] todbot: ahh, we get signal
[20:17] jbond: feral robots
[20:17] freightoi: and big chopsticks in their hair
[20:17] BigD: the worst kind
[20:17] lyza: Okay, so that error 
[20:17] NelsonMinar: nice. first result for kr7rm is what he's talking about
[20:17] jbond: Did I see a beaver?
[20:17] Earthman: Everytime someone says folksonomy, a feral robot dioes
[20:18] lyza: Was windows' way of dealing with my battery being dead. I guess (in the camera, that is)
[20:18] todbot: beaver?
[20:18] jbond: lyza. what battery? AA?
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[20:18] lyza: no, stupid proprietary canon hoo ha
[20:18] joho: "this is what we might be doing after we get bored of broadcast"
[20:18] jbond: bummer
[20:18] lyza: yah
[20:18] dviner_: PIPs ?
[20:19] BigD: ah, leaves cell ringer on AND answers in the room
[20:19] todbot: last preso of the day and only now we get proper color
[20:19] * BigD grumbles
[20:19] spaceboy: you have a cannon?
[20:19] seanbonner: cannon??!!!
[20:19] marksimpkins: big booming cannon
[20:19] lyza: BigD : I wonder if it's the same guy who annoyed me earlier.
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[20:19] marksimpkins: sink ships
[20:19] jbond: and it's battery powered
[20:19] *** stefan is now known as Matthew.
[20:19] BigD: twas a woman this time
[20:19] holgate: feral robots with battery powered cannons.
[20:19] TrevorFSmith: We just got free robotic minions.  What did BBC bring?
[20:19] joho: our cannon shoots G5's out into the audience
[20:19] *** Matthew is now known as MatthewS.
[20:19] spaceboy: we are robotic minions of the BBC
[20:19] BigD: Dr. Who preview?
[20:19] knauer: free robotic kitty minions
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[20:20] jibot: jseng is in singapore and blogs at (Link: http://james.seng.cc/)http://james.seng.cc/ and is at etech
[20:20] TrevorFSmith: Wait my minion is saying something....
[20:20] MatthewS: how was the sandwich/blowing things up talk?
[20:20] jbond: exterminate. exterminate.
[20:20] TrevorFSmith: Why, yes.  I would like another martini.
[20:20] jbond: matthews weird
[20:20] NelsonMinar: why is there no pr0n on etherpeg?
[20:20] freightoi: hey,  they appear to be having computer problems but they are on a mac!  how can that be?
[20:20] NelsonMinar: zillions of flickr neutral faces
[20:20] dviner_: martini during talks...
[20:20] spaceboy: did someone say martini?
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[20:20] freightoi: I'll take a run&coke plz
[20:20] jbond: any time, any place,  any where
[20:20] seanbonner: someone just said Tesla
[20:20] sexygirl153: they should totally make flickarrrrrr for pirates
[20:21] freightoi: tesla ruled!
[20:21] jbond: Shaken not stirred please
[20:21] genmon: how do i tell jibot about myself?
[20:21] TrevorFSmith: I'm kind of pissed, because I didn't get the model of minion that chills the glasses.
[20:21] MatthewS: sexygirl153: only on Talk Like A Pirate Day
[20:21] _joshua: fluckr
[20:21] sexygirl153: lickr
[20:21] spaceboy: yes to  flikarrrrrrrrrrrrr, view all tagged as 'wenches'
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[20:21] migurski: sputtr
[20:21] todbot: spaceboy: har har har!
[20:21] seanbonner: genmon ?lern genmon is...
[20:21] seanbonner: learn
[20:21] seanbonner: i mean
[20:21] genmon: thanks
[20:21] freightoi: cool! another accent!
[20:22] jbond: or ? def with no space
[20:22] sexygirl153: hmm
[20:22] spaceboy: great accent
[20:22] dviner_: dear lord 
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[20:22] joho: Our session is paused while they try to direct the lava flow someplace safe
[20:22] sexygirl153: i think this might not be awseome
[20:22] todbot: presenters with accents are hot
[20:22] BigD: UCSD!  represent!
[20:22] spaceboy: double hmmmm
[20:22] freightoi: irish/english/california thingie kinda
[20:22] sexygirl153: bu, she is kinda hot
[20:22] dviner_: british dancing and jokes
[20:22] genmon: ?learn genmon is (Link: http://interconnected.org/home)http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb)
[20:22] jibot: genmon is (Link: http://interconnected.org/home)http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb)
[20:22] ChrisDodo: ?learn genmon is dan ashcroft
[20:22] jibot: genmon is (Link: http://interconnected.org/home)http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb) and dan ashcroft
[20:22] seanbonner: swarm robotics
[20:22] richardhod: rude jokes in room B
[20:22] nebby: she is the robot queen, beware
[20:22] genmon: chrisdodo: dick
[20:22] sexygirl153: dan aaahcorooooooft!
[20:22] freightoi: suh WHEEET
[20:22] dviner_: bbc to buy pint of guiness for all attendees ?
[20:22] genmon: it's not funny because it's rude
[20:22] joho: we're cheering because a blue screen appeared for a second. that's pathetic.
[20:23] sexygirl153: ?learn ChrisDodo smells funny
[20:23] jibot: I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
[20:23] ChrisDodo: ?forget genmon is dan ashcroft
[20:23] jibot: I now only know that genmon is (Link: http://interconnected.org/home)http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb)
[20:23] todbot: kill. all. hu-mans.
[20:23] sexygirl153: ?learn ChrisDodo is a bit smelly
[20:23] jibot: ChrisDodo is also known as anti-mega & sometimes even Chris Heathcote & in Helsinki, Finland & is in San Diego already & a bit smelly
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[20:23] jbond: strange cutlery noises in B
[20:23] dviner_: feral robots vs. british accent.
[20:23] ChrisDodo: ?forgetme
[20:23] jibot: I have expunged ChrisDodo from my mind
[20:23] jbond: ghosts?
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[20:23] freightoi: yeah,  how quickly social robotics turns into "on your knees humann!" 
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[20:23] sexygirl153: :D
[20:23] Earthman: You have to pay extra for that model
[20:24] sexygirl153: i, for one, welcome our robot overlords
[20:24] genmon: antisocial robotics
[20:24] jbond: that's *puny* human to you 
[20:24] joho: are social robots republicans or democrats?
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[20:24] freightoi: blue bots or red bots
[20:24] dviner_: depends on birthplace of robot.
[20:24] sexygirl153: social robots are AWESOME
[20:24] ChrisDodo: ?whois genmon
[20:24] jibot: genmon is (Link: http://interconnected.org/home)http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb) and preacherman
[20:24] seanbonner: feral robotic dog overlords
[20:24] sexygirl153: she's pausing alot
[20:24] holgate: sssh in thie bbc room.
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[20:24] sexygirl153: ?whois sexygirl153
[20:24] jibot: sexygirl153 is a sexy girl
[20:25] jbond: social robots are like so grody. grody to the max.
[20:25] freightoi: hmmm, geek count
[20:25] nebby: what is that noise?
[20:25] freightoi: I have a robotic vacuum cleaner
[20:25] lobo__: tea cups
[20:25] sexygirl153: which room you in, nebby
[20:25] sexygirl153: ?
[20:25] TrevorFSmith: clicking noise?
[20:25] genmon: i don't have a robot dog myself, but i bought one for my gf..
[20:25] todbot: what is that noise!??!!?
[20:25] MatthewS: whoops, I left my bag up on stage. I hope Tom Coates doesn't do anything with it
[20:25] nebby: robotqueen room
[20:25] spaceboy: maybe it's the martinis being made
[20:25] jbond: it's robot waiters laying cutlery
[20:25] knauer: their fencing in the next room
[20:25] marksimpkins: i grew my dog in a vat
[20:25] freightoi: the overlords are preparing behind the curtain
[20:25] sexygirl153: *they're
[20:25] lobo__: robotic tea stirrers
[20:25] joho: Ok, here's a straightline for you to make up a punchline for: What do you use to clean a roomba?
[20:25] BigD: need to learn to use a bigger font
[20:25] genmon: is room C *shouting*?
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[20:26] sexygirl153: excellent
[20:26] MatthewS: genmon: nope
[20:26] knauer: thank you teacher
[20:26] todbot: oh golly
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[20:26] freightoi: oh no, the french joke did not fly
[20:26] sexygirl153: not when you pronounce it like that it's not :/
[20:26] freightoi: my teachers were never hot
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[20:26] cheesebi1ini: can we hack them to pee on the floor?
[20:26] sexygirl153: she's pretty hot for a geek
[20:26] holgate: this is the anti-roomba talk.
[20:26] sexygirl153: hahaha
[20:26] jbond: I bet she's... strict.
[20:26] seanbonner: heh. hot geeks.
[20:27] spaceboy: maybe the robot feral dogs will attack teh rumba weapons
[20:27] sexygirl153: you can bet on it
[20:27] todbot: picturing leather and shiny vinyl
[20:27] jbond: keeps those pseky robots in line
[20:27] freightoi: fully motile!  hmmm,  I can't compete with that!
[20:27] todbot: and a riding crop
[20:27] seanbonner: hot bloggers?
[20:27] sexygirl153: play with what exactly?
[20:27] jbond: when was the last time you played with it?
[20:27] TrevorFSmith: Ok.  Slow talk.  Switching rooms.  
[20:27] freightoi: oh man,  I just totaly lost focus
[20:27] dviner_: good "hot or not" app.
[20:27] todbot: with _it_
[20:27] sexygirl153: i playeds with it during the break
[20:27] seanbonner: robot dogs
[20:27] holgate: and did you play with the dog, sir?
[20:27] freightoi: but they are fully motile!
[20:28] sexygirl153: haha
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[20:28] genmon: iPuppy
[20:28] freightoi: sory,  I'm feeling a bit insecure
[20:28] BigD: hack yer doggy
[20:28] genmon: or pupp-e
[20:28] todbot: "pimp my robot dog"
[20:28] holgate: pimp your robopooch.
[20:28] sexygirl153: all terraion dogs!
[20:28] jbond: pimp your dog
[20:28] todbot: tag
[20:28] seanbonner: robotdogsonomy
[20:28] todbot: or: jinx
[20:28] genmon: combat
[20:28] sexygirl153: that's a dope dog
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[20:29] spaceboy: a dog that can find you drugs!
[20:29] freightoi: werd!  Two barks for the good stuff
[20:29] sexygirl153: weapons!
[20:29] sexygirl153: killer robot dogs with guns!
[20:29] holgate: sniffing real dogs' arses.
[20:29] freightoi: and dope
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[20:29] jbond: with laser eyes
[20:29] joho: hey, keep it down with your sexy, humping dogs! I'm trying to concentrate on the ontology of television episodes!
[20:29] sexygirl153: frikkin laser beams
[20:29] spaceboy: lol
[20:29] freightoi: and fully motile!  dont forget the motile!
[20:29] sexygirl153: sounds exciting
[20:29] knauer: (Link: http://www.cowswithguns.com)http://www.cowswithguns.com
[20:29] sexygirl153: yeah, WHY!?????!!?!?!?!
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[20:30] freightoi: exploit, fully motile, amputate.  hmmmmmm
[20:30] sexygirl153: room b seems to have been a bad choice
[20:30] jbond: Are we supposed to read that slide?
[20:30] freightoi: b rules
[20:30] sexygirl153: how's room c?
[20:30] migurski: jbond: you will be tested
[20:30] sexygirl153: apart from her being hot, it's not so great
[20:30] sexygirl153: nice accent though
[20:30] todbot: guerilla dogfare
[20:30] TrevorFSmith: sexygirl153: t. coates is talking about episodic URLS.
[20:30] sexygirl153: haha
[20:30] spaceboy: she is hot though
[20:31] sexygirl153: i probably would
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[20:31] freightoi: "....to create a local mediagenic event: the feral robotic dog..."
[20:31] sexygirl153: TrevorFSmith: ta
[20:31] spaceboy: and she has a robot army. 
[20:31] nebby: she used to seem much more hardcore
[20:31] megnut: agreed
[20:31] spaceboy: it's like having condileeza rice in the room
[20:31] sexygirl153: maybe she's had her logic board upgraded
[20:31] jbond: nebby. And now she's just another geek
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[20:31] joho: episodic URLS ... of pr0n! Don't leave out the pr0n part!
[20:31] genmon: yeah, because now we all have our own robot armies
[20:31] freightoi: robot dog pr0n?
[20:31] sexygirl153: fight the man!
[20:32] jemstone: (Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/)http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/
[20:32] spaceboy: fight the mans dogs!
[20:32] joho: John Cleese naked from the waist down. Yeah, that's what's going on in C.
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[20:32] dviner_: hah
[20:32] holgate: robot hounds will be hunting robot foxes soon.
[20:32] genmon: hey robot armies are in every city of the world
[20:32] freightoi: yuck!
[20:32] BigD: aw yeah
[20:32] genmon: *her
[20:32] todbot: waist down?
[20:32] freightoi: and finding dope
[20:32] sexygirl153: waste down
[20:32] TrevorFSmith: C: It is funny to me that it took so long for web developers to get back around to "one resource per URL"
[20:32] migurski: feralroboticdogpackrelease.meetup.com
[20:32] freightoi: there is no 'r' in idea.  How does that happen?
[20:32] joho: :)
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[20:33] holgate: migurski++
[20:33] sexygirl153: hahaha
[20:33] sexygirl153: +++
[20:33] freightoi: (Link: www.roboticdogpile.com)www.roboticdogpile.com
[20:33] migurski: hah
[20:33] seanbonner: (Link: http://xdesign.ucsd.edu/feralrobots/)http://xdesign.ucsd.edu/feralrobots/
[20:33] todbot: um, because it's florida?
[20:33] seanbonner: for those not here
[20:33] jseng: where can you buy these dogs?
[20:33] seanbonner: YEAH! Florida!
[20:33] jbond: won't anyone think of the 
[20:33] sexygirl153: superfun sites?
[20:34] holgate: welcome to the american face of 'dogging'.
[20:34] freightoi: jeb!
[20:34] jbond: holgate++
[20:34] holgate: dogging on the common is going to be a bit weird.
[20:34] sexygirl153: this is turning into dull political crap :(
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[20:34] spaceboy: just another thing that doesn't translate
[20:34] jbond: wait till they discover roasting
[20:34] freightoi: she is still hot
[20:34] sexygirl153: i WANT KILLER ROBOTS
[20:34] sexygirl153: she is
[20:34] spaceboy: not when the dogs mutate from the chemicals and turn on teh kiddies
[20:34] jseng: lol
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[20:34] sexygirl153: ahh, right
[20:34] jseng: people not here for the dogs
[20:34] joho: well, Cheney is a start, sexygirl
[20:35] jbond: and then they mutate
[20:35] holgate: the incredible hulk robodog.
[20:35] sexygirl153: /whereinroomis freightoi
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[20:35] freightoi: hmmm, give the dogs $20,000 minifab labs and let them reproce themselves!
[20:35] jemstone: (Link: http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2004/06/developing_a_url_structure_for_broadcast_radio_sites.shtml)http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2004/06/developing_a_url_structure_for_broadcast_radio_sites.shtml
[20:35] sexygirl153: haha
[20:35] jbond: ooh movies
[20:35] freightoi: I'll scratch my head now...
[20:35] jbond: attack attack
[20:35] spaceboy: empowerment through robots! i've waited all my life for this
[20:35] holgate: this is a great art event...
[20:35] joho: movies?? lucky stiffs. We have powerpoints about program ID's ... three metasteps from actual entertainment
[20:35] sexygirl153: i understand they're driving around...
[20:36] holgate: FOR ME TO POOP ON!
[20:36] migurski: lol
[20:36] sexygirl153: oops, was lloking down, typing
[20:36] mr_austin: i like powerpoints about program ids
[20:36] sexygirl153: oh well
[20:36] joho: (the bbc talk is actually interesting.)
[20:36] knauer: holgate+ +
[20:36] freightoi: hmmmm, screw, tinker, fully motile.  hmmmm
[20:36] jseng: hmm..where can i buy these dogs?
[20:36] dviner_: ++joho
[20:36] joho: maybe not killer robotdog interesting, but interesting
[20:36] freightoi: ok,  one more time...
[20:36] knauer: is that a contaminated robot sitting next to her?
[20:36] spaceboy: get them from the feral robot dog pound
[20:36] sexygirl153: i've seen the beeb one before
[20:37] joho: don't spoil the ending, sexygirl
[20:37] holgate: I want robodogs on the old glue factory grounds in middlesbrough.
[20:37] sexygirl153: the girl dies!
[20:37] joho: robotdog is a ghost. so there!
[20:37] BigD: mediagenic events
[20:37] knauer: do feral robot dogs hump each other?
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[20:37] holgate: Dog of the Dump
[20:37] joho: yes, and best of all they get shiny where they touch
[20:37] jbond: do feral robot dogs hump R2D2?
[20:37] BigD: good water skiing tho
[20:37] spaceboy: i think it would be better if they were 18 feet tall
[20:37] freightoi: I just noticed something,  when I have a laptop on my lap I don't pay attention to the talk all too well
[20:38] BigD: what talk?
[20:38] sexygirl153: haha
[20:38] sexygirl153: yea
[20:38] migurski: or even 18 inches
[20:38] sexygirl153: to both of you
[20:38] joho: try placing it further toward your knees, freightoi
[20:38] KevinMarks: in middlesbrough the dogs would go loopy
[20:38] mr_austin: i missed what PIPs is
[20:39] jbond: (Link: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/02/28/graffito_of_a_dog_hu.html)http://www.boingboing.net/2005/02/28/graffito_of_a_dog_hu.html
[20:39] sexygirl153: tyr closing collquy
[20:39] KevinMarks: "thousands of robot dogs march on ICI"
[20:39] holgate: KevinMarks++
[20:39] sexygirl153: ;)
[20:39] Earthman: We could upgrade the dogs to find deadly conference sessions
[20:39] freightoi: heh
[20:39] TrevorFSmith: SMEF: (Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/smef/)http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/smef/
[20:39] BigD: kids are smart
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[20:39] BigD: holy crap
[20:39] sexygirl153: SMEF!
[20:39] todbot: jbond: now that's a robot dog
[20:39] sexygirl153: kids are smarter than her
[20:39] holgate: Mutant Robomutts Go Mental In Billingham
[20:39] freightoi: I wanna see the dogs fight!!!!!
[20:39] dviner_: do they run their own ship? or shit ?
[20:39] joho: Picture in Picture, I think. Or possible British for orange seeds.
[20:40] BigD: hide the gum
[20:40] sexygirl153: that wpuld rock
[20:40] jbond: nuclear vicar ate my robodog
[20:40] sexygirl153: dogfight!
[20:40] freightoi: no doubT!
[20:40] jemstone: BBC Interactive Media Player: (Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/webwise/askbruce/articles/bbc.co.uk/imp_1.shtml)http://www.bbc.co.uk/webwise/askbruce/articles/bbc.co.uk/imp_1.shtml
[20:40] spaceboy: robot hounds of hell
[20:40] seanbonner: if someone knocks on your door do the robot does say 000101110110001010100
[20:40] cheesebi1ini: nobody mentioned C.H.O.M.P.S. ?
[20:40] seanbonner: ?
[20:40] sexygirl153: this is less about robots, and more about polluted sites
[20:40] freightoi: this would work alot better if she were not sitting
[20:40] migurski: having toys do the pointing makes the diff
[20:41] joho: Robotdog is getting its own program on the BBC
[20:41] jbond: Is that a beaver or an otter? 
[20:41] joho: Starring Benny Hill
[20:41] sexygirl153: maybe if she were dressed as a GIANT ROBOT DOG!!!!!
[20:41] knauer: they use Barktooth(tm) of course
[20:41] migurski: i'd be impressed
[20:41] todbot: not too much tech in this talk... robodogs as platform for activism
[20:41] spaceboy: groan
[20:41] TrevorFSmith: Only a geek could name something SMEF.
[20:41] sexygirl153: yeah, basically
[20:41] Earthman: Is that a robodog right next to her?
[20:41] BigD: social agents
[20:41] spaceboy: robot ducks would be better
[20:41] sexygirl153: robot weasels!
[20:41] seanbonner: Robot Platypuses
[20:41] jbond: does she wield a soldering iron? Or just talk about it
[20:42] seanbonner: er, platapi
[20:42] freightoi: hmmm, robot college new-hires
[20:42] cheesebi1ini: "nonbarking end"
[20:42] migurski: robot grad students
[20:42] sexygirl153: i think she just talks in the sexy accent
[20:42] crysflame: kiad's robot album was the best
[20:42] BigD: why IS she sitting?
[20:42] ChrisDodo: where are her rollerblades?
[20:42] spaceboy: my non-barking end is numb
[20:42] migurski: sniffing for grant money
[20:42] BigD: isn't this a presentation?
[20:42] freightoi: Yeah,  she is actually from Long Island
[20:42] KevinMarks: the 2nd one was good too
[20:42] BigD: hmm, too late to get anything out of the bbc pres?
[20:42] sexygirl153: who's seen her talk before? neb?
[20:42] TrevorFSmith: jbond: She's built some interesting things herself.  Perhaps she has grad students, now.
[20:43] crysflame: i can imagine the hell a police department would go through if an army of prosletyzing robots was unleashed
[20:43] freightoi: I want grad students.  That would be cool
[20:43] joho: They're wrapping up the architecture of the database system here in BBC West.
[20:43] KevinMarks: read it on tom's blog
[20:43] TrevorFSmith: jbond: She was at PARC years ago, and she built some interesting things.
[20:43] freightoi: mormon robot dogs!!!!!!
[20:43] migurski: somehow this project sounds much, much more amazing when cory describes it minus visual aids
[20:43] KevinMarks: then ask q's
[20:43] joho: There's an internal API
[20:43] sexygirl153: oooooh
[20:43] sexygirl153: really? that's cool
[20:43] joho: yeah, that's waaaay better than snarling mutant robot dogs.
[20:43] freightoi: nonononono! that is not communication!
[20:44] BigD: do they have a SNIFF buss?
[20:44] seanbonner: I want to see a robot dog fight a Roomba
[20:44] sexygirl153: how about 
[20:44] sexygirl153: SMEF
[20:44] sexygirl153: ?
[20:44] joho: I want to see roombas fighting each other
[20:44] jbond: trevor: Ok thought it was all mouth and no trousers
[20:44] freightoi: my roomba would so kick her feral dogbot's butt!
[20:44] sexygirl153: what does that even mean?
[20:44] joho: can we put an emotion chip into a roomba?
[20:44] migurski: roomba vs. that new wheelie dyson vacuum ball
[20:44] sexygirl153: write over the data streams"
[20:44] todbot: i don't see how they get any quantitative data from the robodogs since she's not mentioned how they do stationkeeping.  gps?  dead-reckoning?  don't care?
[20:44] TrevorFSmith: jbond: she wasn't that way in the past.  I don't know about now.
[20:44] BigD: apple gonna provide any food?
[20:44] seanbonner: is the next project killer robot dogs?
[20:44] joho: pip=project informatoin page
[20:45] freightoi: I need to upgrade my roombas positronic sucking device.
[20:45] Earthman: Opensource robots
[20:45] sexygirl153: programme information pages
[20:45] dviner_: PIP == IMDB but for tv shows ?
[20:45] mr_austin: aahh... thx
[20:45] migurski: toxin-depositing robot dogs
[20:45] sexygirl153: actually ;)
[20:45] adamhill: Woomba's are the new hotness
[20:45] sexygirl153: dviner_ - bascially
[20:45] ccoryell: they get dog postion from the balloon cam in the sky, overlay data on the video.
[20:45] sexygirl153: but also not
[20:45] seanbonner: (Link: http://xdesign.ucsd.edu/ooz/)http://xdesign.ucsd.edu/ooz/
[20:45] migurski: i don't think quant. data is really the idea with these things
[20:45] sexygirl153: ahh
[20:45] joho: They're about to talk about what you could build on top of this bbc database
[20:45] joho: fingers crossed for robotdogs
[20:45] dviner_: or how you can't if there's licensing
[20:45] freightoi: they just follow the gradient.  they dont need gps,  just let them go and see where thy p;ile up
[20:46] KevinMarks: (Link: http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2004/06/developing_a_url_structure_for_broadcast_radio_sites.shtml)http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2004/06/developing_a_url_structure_for_broadcast_radio_sites.shtml
[20:46] sexygirl153: think of the children!!
[20:46] jbond: kind of like sheep then
[20:46] BigD: she's doing it... for the children
[20:46] holgate: robots of the world, you have nothing to lose but your contaminant origins.
[20:46] todbot: ahh, that makes sense... but i didn't get that out of her talk
[20:46] KevinMarks: tom's detailed post about the stuff in the talk
[20:46] migurski: hee
[20:46] freightoi: hmmmm, robot goose
[20:46] Earthman: Robot lemmings
[20:46] seanbonner: ROBOT GOOSE!
[20:46] jseng: im going to get one of these icybies
[20:46] holgate: goose!
[20:46] joho: robot robots!
[20:46] cheesebi1ini: (who asked for a duck?)
[20:46] dviner_: number of "flying circus" episodes watched on tivo
[20:46] jbond: non humans?
[20:46] BigD: she talks like a thesis reads
[20:46] cheesebi1ini: scary scary goose
[20:47] spaceboy: do robotic gradstudents dream of electric geese?
[20:47] joho: :)
[20:47] Earthman: spaceboy++
[20:47] cheesebi1ini: spaceboy++
[20:47] joho: I, Roomba
[20:47] joho: worse.title.ever
[20:47] TrevorFSmith: It is hard to me to believe that television corps don't already have the capabilities which they're talking about as future work.
[20:47] KevinMarks: katamari damarcy vs robot dogs
[20:47] migurski: joho++
[20:47] jbond: this robotic goose is ... ROBOZILLA!
[20:47] dviner_: Trevor: they do, but we (non-tv execs) dont
[20:47] holgate: Let's Mess With The Heads Of Those Geese.
[20:47] ChrisDodo: i want a robotic swan
[20:47] cheesebi1ini: my schooldesks werent swingable
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[20:48] jibot: wkearney99 is Bill Kearney, located in Bethesda, MD and has a blog at (Link: (Link: http://www.ideaspace.net/users/wkearney)http://www.ideaspace.net/users/wkearney)
[20:48] dviner_: Trevor: or... i'd guess they do
[20:48] Earthman: Take a gander at that
[20:48] TrevorFSmith: dviner_: That's not what I'm hearing, but I hope it is true.
[20:48] seanbonner: awesome! 
[20:48] BigD: does it have torpedoes?
[20:48] holgate: Geese are class.
[20:48] dviner_: Trevor: i think they are saying the bbc doesn't have it... but i'm pretyt sure that nbc does.
[20:48] holgate: They take no shit.
[20:48] Earthman: What's good for the goose....
[20:48] spaceboy: they saved rome
[20:48] BigD: can't do the same thing with a wireless boat?
[20:48] jbond: Geese are the punks ofthe bird world
[20:48] holgate: My money's on the real geese.
[20:48] TrevorFSmith: dviner_: Could be.
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[20:48] migurski: you can talk with the animals
[20:48] KevinMarks: hootspa? is that the green stuff I keep treading in?
[20:48] migurski: walk with the animals
[20:48] tengi: holgate: they just leave it everywhere
[20:48] seanbonner: now if she can just hook the robot goose up to James's CRT mouse trap we'll really have something...
[20:48] spaceboy: my moneys on the swan
[20:49] ChrisDodo: anger the swan
[20:49] BigD: awww, she said "hell!"
[20:49] holgate: That swan could break an arm, you know.
[20:49] freightoi: bob sapp vs robotdog
[20:49] ChrisDodo: and you can't eat it withour roya lassent
[20:49] sexygirl153: is harrassing animals allowed?
[20:49] jbond: that robotic goose could break your arm
[20:49] freightoi: the last swan  winner was from a city near me.
[20:49] spaceboy: underwater robot dog feral packs vs robot geese with torpedos
[20:49] jbond: And then you can say quack
[20:49] * wkearney99 prefers to harass them with a 12 gauge...
[20:49] sexygirl153: :/
[20:49] BigD: get in my belly!
[20:50] joho: meanwhile, over in the bbc room they're working their way up to reinventing tivo
[20:50] freightoi: gooseonomy
[20:50] joho: without torpedoes
[20:50] dviner_: lol
[20:50] joho: tivonomy
[20:50] BigD: maybe cuz it's going "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
[20:50] dviner_: wonder if tivo has universal id for show
[20:50] joho: tivowiki
[20:50] Earthman: My money's NOT on reinventing TiVo
[20:50] mr_austin: or at least playing nice with tivo
[20:50] spaceboy: every time someone says gooseonomy a PIP dies
[20:50] KevinMarks: distributed vidoe editing via tivo woudl be cool
[20:50] BigD: exudos
[20:50] awooster: distributed ad filtering would be cool
[20:50] joho: everyone someone says pip, gladys knight dies
[20:50] holgate: distributed goose editing.
[20:50] todbot: wonder if she did a control with a non-goose-looking remote control boat
[20:50] awooster: figure out where everyone skips to
[20:50] TrevorFSmith: dviner_: I thought that shows had IDs as far back as early programmable VCRs, which was published in TV Guide.
[20:51] KevinMarks: (Link: http://www.corante.com/many/archives/2004/10/19/could_we_have_social_video_editing.php)http://www.corante.com/many/archives/2004/10/19/could_we_have_social_video_editing.php
[20:51] migurski: (Link: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22every+time+someone+*+a+*+dies)http://www.google.com/search?q=%22every+time+someone+*+a+*+dies
[20:51] KevinMarks: better than that - average the playback speed people use
[20:51] dviner_: Trevor: could be... i'm not a tv guide user :)
[20:51] joho: trevor, good point. third party, i tihnk.
[20:51] holgate: Gooseboy, raised by robot geese...
[20:51] MatthewS: TrevorFSmith: VIdeoPlus+ codes aren't unique, they restart after time
[20:51] jbond: treat ads as spam. Use bayes techniques to eliminate them from tivo playback
[20:51] KevinMarks: you coudl watch a baseball game in 20 minutes
[20:51] sexygirl153: this sounds quite dumb - what am i missing?
[20:51] ChrisDodo: MEDIA ARTIST ALERT
[20:51] TrevorFSmith: MatthewS: Who designed that?!?
[20:51] freightoi: this talk is more bizzar than the one before it.
[20:51] sexygirl153: yeah
[20:52] joho: wrt MatthewS: jesus christ. does every irc know every damn thing?
[20:52] sexygirl153: the one before was god
[20:52] freightoi: at least I could relate to gatepr0n
[20:52] migurski: she does have an english accent
[20:52] ChrisDodo: in that she gets a lot of funding for it
[20:52] joho: it's enough to make you believe in the wisdom of crowds
[20:52] sexygirl153: this is meh
[20:52] holgate: english?
[20:52] MatthewS: TrevorFSmith: GemStar. It's quite clever, in the UK anyway, code 1 is always something like 7:30-8pm on first of the month (Coronation Street)
[20:52] holgate: australian.
[20:52] holgate: with california influences.
[20:52] MatthewS: joho: Of course :)
[20:52] KevinMarks: not english
[20:52] migurski: close enough for childrens' book work
[20:52] sexygirl153: she's SO not english
[20:52] lobo__: robot goose meets hacked monitor
[20:52] TrevorFSmith: MatthewS: Ah, so there is a map from code to timeslot?
[20:52] sexygirl153: that would rock
[20:52] BigD: robohorse!
[20:52] freightoi: you dont need bayes thrm to tell you the content is 30 seconds long
[20:52] seanbonner: I think she's German
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[20:52] sexygirl153: code to multiple timeslots
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[20:52] sexygirl153: on multiple channels
[20:53] lobo__: omg
[20:53] jbond: there's a bit of Kylie about her
[20:53] sexygirl153: SHE'S FUCKING CRAZY
[20:53] MatthewS: TrevorFSmith: Well, a "secret" algorithm
[20:53] cheesebi1ini: fishbots!
[20:53] awooster: "have you ever wanted to talk to fish?"
[20:53] jseng: we should have this irc channel on the big screen on the side
[20:53] freightoi: ok,  now we are talking to fish
[20:53] knauer: before or after I eat it?
[20:53] tengi: I prefer filets
[20:53] sexygirl153: oh
[20:53] seanbonner: fishonomy
[20:53] sexygirl153: we do
[20:53] migurski: "why... yes"
[20:53] joho: my god! The bbc guys are unmasking themselves! They're ...robotodogs!
[20:53] BigD: no they are not
[20:53] todbot: fucking crazy
[20:53] sexygirl153: i need to remember to be nice
[20:53] lobo__: doolittleonomy
[20:53] holgate: gawd. we'll never learn to speak goose if we can't tell english accents apart.
[20:53] ChrisDodo: tom coates is a robot swan
[20:53] spaceboy: they are social fish!
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[20:53] sexygirl153: this is broadcast outside :/
[20:53] * sexygirl153 is Tom Coates
[20:53] BigD: not nice is funnier
[20:53] migurski: i'll be speaking duck instead
[20:53] KevinMarks: secretly, she wants to eb rex harrison
[20:53] joho: anononymy - taxonomy of unidentified people
[20:53] freightoi: hmmm, are fish turing complete?
[20:53] todbot: ob: fishonomy
[20:53] Earthman: Roombafish
[20:53] MatthewS: sexygirl153: it's not any more, they turned off the IRC bit on like the first day
[20:54] sexygirl153: hahaha
[20:54] BigD: enable the fish
[20:54] sexygirl153: i wonder who influenced that decision :D
[20:54] seanbonner: I think she's Pakistani
[20:54] ChrisDodo: why aren't the fish on irc?
[20:54] freightoi: hmmm, does roomba algorithm work in 3d?
[20:54] spaceboy: it's time we leveled the playing field for angling
[20:54] seanbonner: I could post the logs
[20:54] ChrisDodo: roomba doesn't have an algorithm
[20:54] cheesebi1ini: you can become more intimate with the geese
[20:54] sexygirl153: haha
[20:54] MatthewS: all that's left is the Technorati/Flickr/whatever live stream thingy that doesn't seem to show very much
[20:54] BigD: laserrobofish!
[20:54] ChrisDodo: is it alcohol time yet?
[20:54] jseng: its no longer as fun
[20:54] lobo__: explosive fish - that'd 
[20:54] MatthewS: has RoomB finished?
[20:54] jbond: freightoi: cross roomba with remote control helium blimps
[20:54] dviner_: apple offering alocohol ?
[20:54] holgate: so, when the robogoose eats the robofish...
[20:54] BigD: it's always alcohol time
[20:54] KevinMarks: wel, tag more posts
[20:55] spaceboy: do geese eat fish?
[20:55] BigD: robopoop
[20:55] lobo__: duh - robogoose is a veggie...
[20:55] MatthewS: spaceboy: was that a rhetorical answer to my question? ;)
[20:55] sexygirl153: shutting down for a quick exit...
[20:55] holgate: sticklebacks.
[20:55] awooster: they should try this trick with sharks
[20:55] awooster: big ones
[20:55] jbond: autonamous robot blimp ceiling cleaners
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[20:55] jseng: fish are dumber irl
[20:55] seanbonner: ok, so fish can turn on lights?
[20:55] spaceboy: MatthewS: yes
[20:55] joho: goose-necked roboBeebs
[20:55] cheesebi1ini: holgate: no need for obscenities
[20:56] jbond: Albatross. Albatross.
[20:56] spaceboy: what the hells that in the bottom left?
[20:56] freightoi: lets tag the fish!
[20:56] holgate: speaking of fish, I need to investigate some ethanol-polluted water.
[20:56] seanbonner: it's asperagus
[20:56] jbond: that's a robot lobster
[20:56] Earthman: iDrink
[20:56] tengi: therefore I am
[20:56] noidfish: this conversation is quite annoying when you're irc client bounces every time anyone says "fish"
[20:56] joho: do robolobsters dream of drawn butter?
[20:56] spaceboy: i want to talk to the animals
[20:56] KevinMarks: you know the Monterey Aquarium shark started eating otehr fish?
[20:56] cheesebi1ini: robovaries
[20:56] dviner_: change url to do it right... hm... what if bbc gets it wrong this time?
[20:56] noidfish: your even
[20:56] holgate: ohmygod this is the PETA South Park with robots.
[20:56] ChrisDodo: robot foie gras
[20:56] freightoi: fish
[20:57] joho: actually, the robots enjoy being forcefed
[20:57] awooster: we should put lasers on their heads while we're at it
[20:57] spaceboy: gay robot animal refuge
[20:57] todbot: holgate++
[20:57] todbot: hahaha
[20:57] joho: gaybotsonomy
[20:57] seanbonner: fish can eat??
[20:57] lobo__: frickin laser beams
[20:57] holgate: "I never drink water. Fish f**k in it." --  WC Fields.
[20:57] joho: sodomysonomy - modern kama sutra
[20:57] MatthewS: wow, deja vu.
[20:57] dviner_: actors don't have unique urls ?
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[20:57] joho: fook? flik? what do fish do in water?
[20:58] spaceboy: joho++
[20:58] MatthewS: well, they have unique names in Equity, so should be easy
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[20:58] todbot: later i want to ask her about all these superfun sites
[20:58] migurski: folksodomy?
[20:58] KevinMarks: shark vidblog: (Link: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2004_09_01_epeus_archive.html#109580593425725275)http://epeus.blogspot.com/2004_09_01_epeus_archive.html#109580593425725275
[20:58] ChrisDodo: i hope the apple reception serves sushi
[20:58] Earthman: migurksi: LOL
[20:58] holgate: hakesodomy
[20:58] joho: robosharkvidblogomy
[20:58] seanbonner: sushi++
[20:58] lobo__: ChrisDodo++
[20:58] spaceboy: i hope theres folksodomy
[20:58] seanbonner: sex
[20:58] todbot: omg
[20:58] freightoi: this technology is disruptive!
[20:58] KevinMarks: fauxodomy
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[20:58] dviner_: british hatred?
[20:58] migurski: "he was faking it"
[20:58] spaceboy: fauxsodomy
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[20:59] spaceboy: still hot though
[20:59] todbot: yes
[20:59] ChrisDodo: frickin robot laser sushi
[20:59] jbond: hey ho
[20:59] freightoi: oh man,  I survived!
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[20:59] holgate: robot nori rolls
[20:59] KevinMarks: do the robot geese eat the robot fish?
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[20:59] holgate: robot fish and microchips
[20:59] awooster: "umm, okay"
[20:59] seanbonner: can we go back to the CRT fly killer?
[20:59] joho: 5 key alphanumeric hash. great with overcooked fried eggs and fried halved tomatoes
[20:59] joho: not to mention the baked beans
[20:59] seanbonner: ok, see you kids this evening.
[21:00] lobo__: l8rs
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[21:00] Earthman: Liquidity beckons
[21:00] dviner_: hmm...
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[21:00] joho: where is the liquidity beckoning?
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[21:00] freightoi: I just freaked out steven levy.
[21:00] KevinMarks: where's the Apple knees-up?
[21:00] joho: frieghtoi, how, pray tell?
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[21:00] KevinMarks: were you ostentaiously anglo-saxon?
[21:01] Earthman: I hope Apple is especially receptive
[21:01] freightoi: This damn chat made it hard for me not to laugh so he asked my what I was doing
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[21:01] mr_austin: you could sms your tivo the 5 char hash and have it record the program
[21:01] Earthman: Do you have to write a Tiger dashboard thing to get a beer?
[21:01] joho: I once had to fake a cellphone call to go outside to laugh as a result of an especially raucous irc session at a conference
[21:01] MatthewS: mr_austin: isn't it unique per programme?
[21:01] mr_austin: per episode
[21:02] dviner_: unique per episode
[21:02] freightoi: ok, off to apple.
[21:02] noidfish: per episode
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[21:02] noidfish: not broadcast
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[21:02] joho: ok, bbc was a good session. likable folks, too. but i'm done.
[21:02] noidfish: so if something is repeated, there's only one page
[21:02] Earthman: Next time you see me, things won't be the same....
[21:02] joho: bye. see you in fluids.
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[21:03] MatthewS: ok. so you coudn't ever have today/pip/ABCDE and newsat10/pip/ABCDE
[21:04] MatthewS: that's what i meant/was asking
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[21:15] jibot: jseng is in singapore and blogs at (Link: http://james.seng.cc/)http://james.seng.cc/ and is at etech
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[21:19] lyza: well...singapore or etech? Seem mutually exclusive to me.
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[21:27] seanbonner: so...
[21:30] buridan: so.... ?
[21:30] Knekk: so
[21:31] buridan: ahhh sooo
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[21:34] lyza: so
[21:34] seanbonner: hmmm
[21:35] seanbonner: yeah
[21:35] seanbonner: ok, so who else said screw this shit and found a corner to get on IRC?
[21:35] seanbonner: heh
[21:35] seanbonner: good times.
[21:36] crysflame: hi. screw what?
[21:38] seanbonner: um.. nothing.
[21:39] seanbonner: i *really* need to find a ride back to LA tomorrow
[21:39] seanbonner: that being, you know, after the conference
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[21:41] jibot: tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department
[21:42] seanbonner: beh
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[22:07] jibot: cybaea is is a nice guy but you don't care: you just want to know that he blogs (sometimes) at (Link: http://www.cybaea.net/Journal/)http://www.cybaea.net/Journal/
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[22:11] cybaea: ?forgetme
[22:11] jibot: I have expunged cybaea from my mind
[22:11] seanbonner: did the maker fair open yet?
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[22:17] Mutiny: if anybody is staying through thursday night flogging molly is playing at a st. patty's day street festival that night.
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[22:18] cybaea: Whois flogging molly?
[22:18] BigD: know where the festival is?
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[22:19] BigD: (Link: http://www.91x.com/cc-common/globalcontestfinder.html?contest=11318)http://www.91x.com/cc-common/globalcontestfinder.html?contest=11318
[22:19] BigD: gaslamp
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[22:28] cybaea: thx
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[23:06] jibot: jseng is in singapore and blogs at (Link: http://james.seng.cc/)http://james.seng.cc/ and is at etech
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[23:07] jibot: sexygirl153 is a sexy girl
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[23:12] jibot: genmon is (Link: http://interconnected.org/home)http://interconnected.org/home (matt webb) and preacherman
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[23:18] jibot: cheesebikini is Sean Savage and a Berkeley grad student who named flash mobs flash mobs and is busy neglecting his site cheesebikini.com.
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[23:21] crysflame: oh, wow
[23:22] crysflame: i forgot why i knew that name cheesebikini
[23:22] cheesebikini: but you didnt forget the name
[23:22] crysflame: nope
[23:22] crysflame: congrats on the permanence
[23:22] cheesebikini: thanks.. hey, i have a cache of the GoogleX page
[23:22] termie: cheesebikini: i assume you aren't at the makers thing then...
[23:22] cheesebikini: im across the hall from it
[23:23] crysflame: cheesebikini: awesome. (Link: http://pastebot.org/)http://pastebot.org/
[23:23] * termie looks around.
[23:23] crysflame: paste the html source, hit Paste, then provide the url it gives you
[23:23] crysflame: termie :)
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[23:24] termie: I'm next to jzawodny and jseng... 
[23:24] jseng: :)
[23:25] cheesebikini: shiite... closed + forgot to grab URL.. 
[23:25] termie: cheesebikini: pastebot.org
[23:26] cheesebikini: (Link: http://pastebot.nd.edu/567)http://pastebot.nd.edu/567
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[23:26] jibot: tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department
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[23:29] crysflame: hi jseng
[23:29] * crysflame doesn't know jwz well enough to say hi
[23:29] crysflame: but hi jwz anyways
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[23:31] crysflame: cheesebikini: thank you!
[23:31] * crysflame bows.
[23:31] crysflame: this works perfectly.
[23:31] cheesebikini: sho nuff... you need the gifs though ja?
[23:32] crysflame: no
[23:32] crysflame: i just want the DHTMLJS
[23:32] crysflame: the gifs are incidental
[23:32] crysflame: besides, they have mouseover titles
[23:32] crysflame: see, this is a pure DHTML/JS clone of Apple's dock.
[23:32] crysflame: worth its weight in lawsuit bond paper
[23:33] * crysflame throws a ream at Google
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[23:36] cheesebikini: que?
[23:36] cheesebikini: who is chrysflame?
[23:37] crysflame: i am richard soderberg
[23:37] crysflame: coral everywhere but freenode
[23:37] cheesebikini: aha
[23:37] crysflame: (and my domain, crystalflame.net)
[23:39] cheesebikini: i thought you were gonna say you're with the apple legal team 
[23:40] crysflame: hehe no
[23:40] crysflame: i work for cloudmark in SF
[23:41] cheesebikini: not nearly as smooth as apple dock.. nice tribute though
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[23:42] crysflame: it's smooth here
[23:42] crysflame: with the images in place
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[23:42] dngor: join.perl++ # when /invite doesn't work
[23:43] crysflame: heh
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[00:39] jibot: KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at (Link: http://epeus.blogspot.com)http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at (Link: http://mediagora.com)http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & PST (UTC-8) & working at Technorati & wrote a python based irc client of DOOM
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[02:16] JimH_Taco: Paavo: how did Erik's Amaretto talk go?
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[02:40] cacheop: a
[02:45] JimH_Taco: b
[02:46] JimH_Taco: View
[02:52] Paavo: JimH_Taco: I have no idea, I wasn't there.
[02:55] JimH_Taco: Yeah, I know, just wondered if you'd heard
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[03:06] jibot: tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department
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